Triple blasts in Mumbai.

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  1. praty Registered Member

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  3. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Rough Day in Mumbai

    The numbers are updated to 21 dead, 113 injured. I have no doubt the toll will continue to rise.

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    Three blasts: Target locations, above; injured victims awaiting transport to hospital, below.
    (via BBC)

    From the topic article:

    In Zaveri Bazaar, witnesses described a motorcycle exploding next to a jewellery shop. Mumbai Police Commissioner Arup Patnaik said a bomb had been left in an abandoned umbrella.

    Photographer Rutavi Mehta told the BBC he was shopping nearby and heard the explosion. He grabbed his camera and ran to the scene.

    "I took a couple of photographs. I think they might be too graphic for broadcast," he said.

    "Bodies and limbs were strewn everywhere. People were crying and screaming. The area was packed with shoppers at the time of the blast. A few offered assistance to the blood-soaked victims, while others looked on in a state of shock," he said.


    (BBC)

    Bombs also hit the Opera House and Dadar districts. There are hints that the bombings are in some way associated with Mohammad Ajmal Amir Qasab, but whether a misguided tribute (i.e., wrong day) or simply mistaken rumors is unclear.

    Soutik Biswas provides the analysis for the BBC:

    The three explosions in Mumbai have taken place in some of the most crowded neighbourhoods in the city.

    Zaveri Bazaar is a bustling market area famous for its jewellers. It has been targeted before: during the serial blasts in the city in 1993, 17 people were killed and 57 injured when a scooter packed with explosives blew up there.

    Opera House, next door, is also a bustling business district teeming with traders. And Dadar, in the heart of the city, has one of the most crowded railway stations on Mumbai's busy suburban train network.

    The choice of locations makes it clear that the blasts were intended to cause maximum casualties. But early footage of one of the blast sites - a ripped-off cover of a bus shelter and a car with its glass shattered - points to a medium-level and possibly crude explosion.

    So far, there is no evidence to suggest that Mumbai is under attack the way it was in November 2008. And this could easily be the handiwork of a local group.

    There is not much to be said at this time. We'll see what comes.
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    British Broadcasting Corporation. "Mumbai: Explosions shake India's financial hub". BBC News. July 13, 2011. BBC.co.uk. July 13, 2011. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-14141454

    —————. "In pictures: Deadly Mumbai blasts". BBC News. July 13, 2011. BBC.co.uk. July 13, 2011. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-14143558
     
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  7. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Making Lemonade

    Indian Home Minister P Chidambaram today told the press and people that, essentially, the government had no idea what happened:

    Chidambaram said there was no intelligence failure on the part of Central and state agencies.

    "There was no specific intelligence input on this ... whenever there is an intelligence, we share it with the states," he told a 70-minute press conference here.

    "We are not ruling out any angle. We will probe [the involvement of] every terror group ... The investigations into the attack will not start on pre-determined assumptions," he said.


    (The Economic Times)

    Talk about making lemonade.

    Questions arose about the possibility that the blasts were intended to delay peace talks expected to begin between India and Pakistan, but Chidambaram assured that the discussions would continue as planned.

    For what it's worth, these were allegedly ammonium nitrate explosives detonated on timers.

    Mumbai endures; our best wishes and deepest condolences to our mourning neighbors half a world away.
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    "No credible intelligence inputs on Mumbai terror attack: Chidambaram". The Economic Times. July 14, 2011. EconomicTimes.IndiaTimes.com. July 13, 2011. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...or-attack-chidambaram/articleshow/9220418.cms
     
  8. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Uh.. doesn't SAM live in Mumbai?

    Edit: I heard just now on the news that the numbers are updated to 17 dead and at least 133 wounded.
     
  9. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    SAM does, and probably in one of the nice parts...

    Hope our SAM-chick will come back to hector us all about how we have blood on our hands.

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    You hear that, SAM? You mustn't be blown up or full of shrapnel. You have spoiled Americans to spank in online fora. That's far too important.

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  10. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    All good, I think

    Secondhand report says she's fine. I haven't heard anything from her directly, though.

    Update: And direct confirmation received Thursday evening.
     
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  11. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, good to know. Thanks

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  12. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Anyone hear anything about riots or protests in Pakistan? They've been so upset over all the violence in the region of late, there's no way they couldn't sympathize with their brothers across the border.
     
  13. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    @CptBork

    Sympathise how? What are they sympathizing with? India is always blaming pakistan for their own internal extremists on Pakistan:

    "All groups hostile to India are on the radar. We are not ruling out anything, we are not ruling in anything. We are looking at everyone," he said.

    "Whoever perpetrated the attack has worked in a very callous manner. Maybe it's a very small group working in a clandestine manner," he added.

    Chidambaram's remarks were partly aimed at pre-empting the knee-jerk accusations of Pakistani complicity that invariably surface after any act of terror in India.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-s-unsolved-bombings/Article1-721374.aspx
     
  14. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Last time Mumbai was attacked by terrorists though, it pretty much was Pakistan's fault. Pakistan didn't even want to close the camps where the attackers were trained. This time around it could have been from anyone, but my point is if it happened in Afghanistan near the Pakistani border and it was American troops killing civilians by accident, there would be a lot more anger and protest coming from Pakistani citizens as opposed to what they've typically shown when terrorists bomb India.
     
  15. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Well it makes sense they would show more concern if someone is killed by americans whom they hate and see as occupiers than if Indian citizens were killed by a terrorist bomb. The animosity between the two groups has not improved since the days of partition and India is scathing towards Pakistan in its attitude. Just read this article from the Asian Tribune:


    By J. N. Raina - Syndicate Features

    Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency is a global curse. The massive and callous July 7 bomb blast outside the Indian Embassy in Kabul, claiming over 45 lives, including a senior diplomat and the Defence Attaché, has exposed Pakistan’s hollowness and its duplicity for orchestrating the nefarious act. Notwithstanding the denial of the charge by Pakistan, it pretends to be friendly, but behaves like a foe.

    The Government of India was well aware about ISI’s deceitful manoeuvrings some months ago. No less a person than Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai had cautioned India about what was going to befall and mar Indian interests in Afghanistan. His assessment has proved correct. Pakistan has exhibited its classic example of hate-India relationship with gusto, and this time in a foreign country. Pakistan’s motto seems to be: do not love thy neighbour as thyself. Pakistan is a deceiving elf.


    However, it is satisfying that India in its terse reaction has vowed to respond quickly and not to take the horrendous incident lightly. An Indian official has asserted: “If anybody thinks they (ISI) can get away, they are dead wrong.” Ostensibly, there has to be a quid pro quo. India has to take the bull by the horns, in an eyeball-to-eyeball confrontation.

    Last month, India had credible information that Pakistan-based terrorist outfits, aided and abetted by ISI, were planning to target India’s strategic infrastructure in Afghanistan. New Delhi has taken it seriously. There is another possibility that China, which wants to obfuscate the improving situation in Afghanistan, in coordination with Pakistan, might have also goaded ISI to keep India at bay in Afghanistan, because of known animosity.

    http://www.asiantribune.com/?q=node/12407

    India could easily be goaded into taking a stronger role in Afghanistan if not only to place a wrench around the balls of Pakistan as is already the case, especially now that there are increased attacks in India:

    While America may expect more from India, Pakistan has had enough of its bitter rival’s already expanded role in Afghanistan since the fall of the Taliban in 2001. Indeed, Afghanistan is the new battleground on par with Kashmir, with many in Pakistan saying Indian involvement in Afghanistan was more than altruistic and aimed at destabilising Pakistan from the rear. Many in India, on the other hand, point the finger at Pakistan for two deadly bomb attacks on its embassy in Kabul.

    http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanista...of-greater-indian-involvement-in-afghanistan/
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Wow we actually made it to World Events!

    Its hard to say who the perpetrators are.

    Unravelling Hindutva Terrorism

    What is really bizarre and unbelievable is that there was no intelligence before hand. Simply not possible.

    Mumbai serial blasts: No headway as cops sift through pile of evidence

    The explosives used were obviously local, so the suggestions of the invisible Foreign Hand at this point are suspect

    [PS thanks for the concern, I live in the suburbs not in the city proper where all the bombs were set - me and mine are all fine]
     
  17. Gustav Banned Banned

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    /relieved
     
  18. Gustav Banned Banned

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    ..but then again i found this really nice image of a gravestone i wanted to use in a shrine i was gonna erect in AtM

    /bummed
     

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