Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    how to defeat the Borg, from uncyclopedia.
    Kittens. The war between the Borg and the Planet of Cute Little Defenseless Kittens lasted about 23 seconds, after which the kittens accepted the unconditional surrender of the Borg and told them to get off their planet.
    or
    Captain Nero’s crew, who captured a Borg ship by raping all of its drones to death. "Assimilate this."
    or
    The Kazon. Of only one reason; The Borg wants to be perfect, and the Kazon are so stupid that even one assimilated Kazon would ruin all the work they've done for eternity, plus drones need to be bald, and its a known fact that Kazon hair is indestructible. Why else do you think the Kazon have the shittiest hairdos in the galaxy?
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    Download 3,000,000 Gigs of Michael Jackson photos onto their harddrives.
    or
    Magnets. Lots and lots of magnets.
    or
    Get them to see an optical illusion. Interpreting the pointless seems efficient against Borgs.
    OR
    Try to find their off switch.
    the end.
     
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  3. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Except that it wasn't a cube, just an escape vessel - granted, we don't get a drone-count, but none the less.
     
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  5. Apocalypse2001 System Lord Registered Senior Member

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    hey guys..
    Yes we don't get a drone count. Just one drone could wreak havoc on 20th century earth. No one would know about them and assimilation could reach epic proportions. Until somebody realizes that this is happening, it'll be too late. Short of a cruise missile being rained down on the affected Borg. Unless of course by that time they have hacked the local primitive networks and main-frames.
     
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  7. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Here's the thing, though - you saw how Lilly reacted to Picard and Co coming into the silo... and they are quite human.

    I'd wager that, the second ANYONE of that time period saw a Borg Drone, they'd go cyclic on their assimilated ass...
     
  8. Apocalypse2001 System Lord Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, that's true.

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    But that was during a period of war in the twenty FIRST century, when they were still antsy about coalition attacks et.c.. I was talking about the 20th century.
    Of course whether it would be logical for the Borg to go back BEFORE first contact was made, is unknown.

    Also if other humans, in and around the first contact period, saw that projectile weapons worked on the drones, they'd would go 'cyclic' as you say.
    Of course there's the other thing too. If some drones decided to LAND somewhere more primitive during that earth period, there would be a big infestation.....
     
  9. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    the more interesting question is why didn't the borg go all the way back to, say, 1st century Earth? it would be far more logical, even for the Borg.
    hehe.
     
  10. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    *shrugs* The power of plot? No real way to answer this except one theory: the Borg don't conquer planets/civilizations just for the sake of doing so - they do it to assimilate new technology and new information. A pre-civilization Earth wouldn't fit the bill. Thing is, how would a pre-first-contact Earth do that? *shrugs again* Dunno there.
     
  11. Kel "Not all who wander are lost." Registered Senior Member

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    star wars is better than star trek

    The numberone reason why star wars is better than star trek?
    Jean-Luc Picard navigates asteroid fields at one quarter impulse.
    Han Solo FLOORS it.

    Nuff said
     
  12. Apocalypse2001 System Lord Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah just one problem there sport, han Solo drove a junk heap that was the size of two maybe three shuttles, roughly. Picard was in command of a huge, highly advanced star ship. Han Solo is a careless cowboy. Picard is logical and level headed.
    And one main reason SW is just fantasy with no actual basis in technology: is because Lucas intended it that way. Actual ships like the Falcon don't swing like pendulums in between asteroids. Those are laughable ideas in SW of course, but SW was never meant to have a scientific basis. it was just about the characters.
     
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  13. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Not to mention the fact that the asteroids Picard had to contend with were large enough to cause mass-extinction on a planetwide level... unless you mean the episode where they lost a photon in the asteroid field, in which case it was simply a matter of "why bring a starship where a shuttle would suffice"
     
  14. Kel "Not all who wander are lost." Registered Senior Member

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    Oh dont get me wrong... I do love Star Trek.... But when we are talking about Sci-Fi...Well it is really comparing apples and oranges. Gene Rodenberry(sp) had some brilliant visions for the future and his science was well thought out. But Star Trek I believe is also character driven. Star Wars is just FUN.
     
  15. Apocalypse2001 System Lord Registered Senior Member

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    well both.

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    Also it's too risky bringing a shuttle if you've lost a torpedo lol You have more protection with the galaxy class starship. I mean, short of putting Voyager's armor (and other tech) on another shuttle (which they obviously didn't have back then) a shuttle will be obliterated if something goes awry in the field.

    By the way, I'm still eager to see a Star trek film where they implement all this alien technology/improvements that Voyager has on the rest of the fleet

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  16. Kel "Not all who wander are lost." Registered Senior Member

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    Since they have basically restarted the whole shebang and altered the canon universe with the newest movie would the voyager incident still even occur?

    I thought it was a good movie though.
     
  17. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Eh, not really - we've seen shuttlecraft take multiple photon torpedoes before - remember, if the Feds do one thing well, it's shielding, and the smaller the shield grid the more potent it is... or so it seems

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  18. Apocalypse2001 System Lord Registered Senior Member

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    They haven't altered anything. The film IS NOT CANNON. It's an alternate reality film which has nothing to do with the continuity of the rest of Star Trek.
     
  19. Apocalypse2001 System Lord Registered Senior Member

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    yeah that's true. Especially in DS9. I forgot about that. The shuttles on DS9 could take a fair beating.
     
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  20. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    if they do it to assimilate new tech, they wound's try to erase from history one like the Federation.
     
  21. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    uhu. i could just point out to the hundred times that doesn't apply, but it would take to long. but to reduce all that, Picard didn't had a squadron of enemies on his tail, waiting to disable and then torture them for information. any logic fails under extreme stress, and being chased by the Empire, with no hyperdrive to escape, with several star destroyers on your tail, including Darth Vader, is sure to make even the most logical person in the universe act
    careless.
    and did you drive a ship between asteroids to see how it behaves? plainly put, in both star wars and star trek, those plots are...crap. no more need to be said, at least lets be honest and admit defending the "oh, but THIS is how you navigate a dense, yet somehow stable asteroid field" argument is nonsense. ok?its just plot. every freaking major scy fy show had that. EVERY ONE. a ship would be pulverized by the asteroids, and your argument fails here really, cuz in ST, those asteroids were indeed large, and that many so close would have turned the enterprise into space powder. at least in SW they showed the asteroid field to be fairly violent. asteroids in space travel at such high speeds, that it would be close to impossible to avoid so many. and in ST, they didn't avoid anything, they slingshot around the asteroids using their gravity, but i don't remember that episode to good. Han DID avoid dozens of asteroids, but his ship AND the asteroid were smaller. And the star destroyers showed just what would really happen if you entered an asteroid field. you've be crushed by hundreds of rocks slamming into you. so, back at you, st fails at this category more than sw dose.
     
  22. Apocalypse2001 System Lord Registered Senior Member

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    You continue to throw red-herrings into the conversation to change the subject. Stop fucking around and address the previous issue. Stop changing the subject with syllogistic fallacies.
     
  23. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    the fuck you talking about? change what? the subject i WASN'T PART OF?
     
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