Dot Net

NOT the best thing out there...

Dot Net isn't the best thing out there...by far. And this isn't even an Anti-MS post. I find Visual Studio 6 MUCH better than Dot Net. Microsoft tried to add too much to it. I also find the compiler MUCH slower than in VS 6.

AntonK

 

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I'm using the LCC-Win32 compiler for C, and Bloodshed for C++. I find both very nice.

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a bit off-topic, but...

True, Java has many syntax features of C++, and C++ already implemented many features regarding object oriented programming. But, Java was surely different in applying object oriented programming from scratch. Upon that it also features garbage collection, which at least kept me from building memory draining applications.

 

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I have to wonder what planet some of you people actually live on. For optimum performance we should totally forget OO programming and go back to the basics, code in assembly language for individual CPU's, like we did in the old days.

When JAVA first popped up I was coding in assembly language and after trying a few apps in JAVA I threw it away in disgust. I could not accept the fact that I had to throw away all those CPU cycles just because I might want to run it on another machine. Madness... (by the way, a game I wrote in 1992, in assembly, still runs on every machine I’ve tried it on.) I must also say that I enjoy writing in assembly, The last project I wrote in assemble 1998 has run since then only stopping for power failures.

The new programmers on the block don’t have any clue as to what programming is about and live in some hypothetical wonderland. End users don’t give a rat’s ass what’s behind the hood, as long it does what it claims to do, reliably.

As soon as the institutions that educate programmers get over the JAVA hype the community of end users will get better, faster, and easier to use software.

Microsoft is the king. As a programmer I want to make money and produce good apps and as soon as someone comes up with a better system, with a large user base, I’ll move over.

In reading the various threads in this forum I have to wonder whether some of you can actually program, apart from writing a few simple lines of code.

Geez… I had to get that out…….

Now has anyone created a DirectX8.1 app in DotNet and managed to get it to run on a 95 or 98 machine ??? A simple yes or no will do.

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Blindman.

 

NO

I have tryed to but it dident work sorry

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I have to wonder what kind of programmer you are. Back to basics? Code in assembly? WTF? Have you ever needed to take over a codebase? Work on a project with 20 different people? OO is a god sent in those cases. Nice blackboxed code, thereby guaranteing extensability and maintanability. Whether you use Java, C# or Smalltalk, for large projects OO is *the* way to go.

Well duh. A bytecode language will allways *run* slower than a compiled (or pure asm) language. But by the time you've written your first prototype in asm, I'll have the market cornered wtih a program written in a higher level language. Nothing new about that.

You must not have tried many machines them. The asembly I wrote in 1992 (for my C64, i.e. 8510 cpu) has a frickin' hard time running on both my x86 and my ppc.

< manuel >Que?< /manuel > Define programmer. Hell, even VB scripters are called programmers these days. But from what you wrote, I guess you've never written an enterprise class program. Does that disqualify you as a programmer? Of course not, it only limits your experience. It would be nice if you recognized your own limitations though.

Microsoft is the proof that you don't need a good app, you need a good *enough* app. But I don't want to be microsoft. Good for me means: happy me, happy coworkers, happy customers and a pay check at the end of the month. Java has given me all of these.

Right back at ya!!!

NO

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Well, hell, have fun then, skip C# (which is using an intermediate and cpu intensive interpreter as well) and reprogram your DirectX8.1 app in asm. Could take a while though.

.Net does not (yet) have a large user base.

No, and i do not see the point of even attempting it.

 

Thanks all appreciate it. I’m not going to waist my time on it. 2000 and XP will do..

Written for the early PC's to run on 286CPU still runs on my Pentium 4 and every machine I have tried it on. It runs so fast that the game demo, when not synced to the screen refresh, runs in about 3 seconds, not the 90 seconds it was designed for. Luck had it that I gave the option to sync to the refresh rate or it would be unplayable.

Come now you must know that code written in a OO language can be just as messy and difficult to take over. It is the coders ability to document the code and communicate with others that determines the quality of any project. Nothing worse then having a bad speller code in your project.

Yep it would take some time but just imagine how fast it would run. If I knew which hardware it was going to run on I might even consider it. Its funny that with the new 3D hardware to get the best results you have to write assembly for the Vertex Shader and Pixel Shader. I feel sorry for all the new programmers who have no experience with assembly..


Thanks again..

Blindman

 

Yes i know im one of them ...

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The only assembly i only ever did was back at uni .. my days at uni where way past the assembler days so they only taught it for systems programming and not as indepth as you would like, hell my uni days where way paste the C days, they were teaching only C++ java and python stuff, not even perl cause it wasnt 00, but i learnt C & perl and im using it extensivly at work to modify/create new protocols to communicate with various different peices of hardware but i really do wish i knew assembler, its just once u start working you cant really be stuffed learning something you know you *probably* wont ever use to make money anymore .. :bugeye:

oh well ...

Im realivley new 2 years in da business, id like to know what you mean by this before i comment.

Exactly right ....

Oh i dont know about this, aslong as java isonly for web development i think its ok, jsp, applets, things like that, however i think it is nuts that borland decided to make jbuilder in java, thats silly !

Dam right .. its all about the money

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Well i dont think you can really tell that but hey you could be phsycic

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No,

Graphics isnt what i do ... sorry ...