Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. alpinedigital Registered Senior Member

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    This is what happens with people who can't read or comprehend. They start arguing then say it was pointless for them to have responded. :bravo: You kick yourself in the nutts like that twice in the same post. lol


    Bla bla bla you ramble too much. 1,600 meters long isn't necessary to explain. Ships specs weren't necessary to mention at all. Just say the shields would be defense enough - thats ALL U NEED 2 SAY! Instead, you lower SW credibility by saying they crash their ships into each other, (BIG AS THEY ARE they still crash?) Where's all this proclaimed maneuverability I read about? And the shields were not even part of the conversation, I said "Their design is a very 'side and forward'-facing attack layout"

    And I'll promise to do EXTRA research when needed, but you need to learn how to fuckin READ which means even if I know every fact about both SW and ST I'd still find you arguing yourself into a hole.
     
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  3. alpinedigital Registered Senior Member

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    I said "Last you remember is anything your biased mind wants to interpret the scene as." and u get all pissed? 'Biased mind' is something everyone has; Thats what is developing into 'preference'. lol


    "Q wanted some action, BIG DEAL."
    Interpret it as what u want, not like they need Q anyway.


    "well present them anyway."
    soon as my IQ drops far enough... then I'll be too stupid to realize why it isn't necessary, and how it would take all the fun out of the toying with you if you get sent home crying this early in the conversation.


    "the Borg are morons"
    Okay, so they won't get into college. How is that relevant to this conversation? Last I know, humans get infected regardless of how smart nanoprobes are.


    "didn't you just said they wouldn't want anything from them?"
    No. That was your failure to read and your persistence in interpreting everything as incorrect. Common mistake, I won't dock you any points for it.


    "bullcrap as always. by your logic apparently, even crashing on a planet, or flying through an atmosphere, you won't need antigravity to hover. good job."
    Another huge fail on your part. I implied I won't need to hover, which in no way suggests that I need to be in the atmosphere. The implication is that I would NOT need to be in the atmosphere, but you're so busy trying to dictate your own scenario like it's an unavoidable circumstance that you completely missed that. And for that, you DO get docked points.


    really, they don't need to? since when? they do that a lot if you didn't notice yet.
    If that's how confused you are, why do you even bother? please, try to stay focused. I say they don't NEED TO ADAPT means they have OPTIONS. Doing something is not always evidence that there is no alternative.


    "after i finish here, please, don't respond. PLZ! go keep your crap for yourself."
    Show me where you have the ability to make this your reality and I'll show you a trick I learned about not participating, and maybe you'll see how if you stfu I wouldn't be responding to you. :shrug: or maybe you won't.


    "imagine also that it takes far less hits to take on a 3 km cube than a planet. wow, finest logic ever."
    And fewer than zero hits is still not enough damage to destroy something. :bugeye:


    "hey, i found one. it has something on on it says: "property of alpinedigital. contact on sciforums, plz return if found"
    I bet you think that's clever and amusing, right? Good for you. (If I could ONLY come up with a 5th grader response to that... damn :grumble:
     
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  5. alpinedigital Registered Senior Member

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    I came here fully intending to get a much more sensible collection of thoughts from everyone. What I find is not much from the ones I respected here, just the common persistence from...
    ...anyway, lets finish this up.

    Here's your problem. Every time I say something, you assume you know where I'm going. I am not the type to just offer the tactics I'd use, I just hint at them. I don't choose to have a step by step, 'if you do this, I do this' back and forth with you. It would take too long and also kill every bit of imagination.

    As for this scenario about the information, you have overlooked something so simple that... *SMH*
    "by the time they got that information, their be dead"
    By the time WHO gets it? Even if it wasn't an omni-directional transmission, they have no idea how far it's intended receivers are, so how do you expect the nav comp to plot a jump thru hyperspace?


    "wanna prove you are qualified to argue that, crapper?"
    I don't even want to know your version of why an army is important. So far your example is insufficient as evidence that you have any clue about real war tactics. All you seem to know is the primitive tactics used in Star Wars. You've already explained - your final say is that sheer power beats ingenuity so that suggests that for them, power is everything, proven often enough to be false that I don't need your 2 cents worth of pre-teen level enlightenment.


    "well unlike ST, SW dose effective things. EFFECTIVE."
    Their methods are not a choice, they're a lack of options. Same reason why they shuttle people back and forth, which if it was critical to achieve this something like evacuation in a limited amount of time, they'd FAIL because they have no options.

    Your same lack of tactical knowledge is also proven by your stupid army scenario. You'd basically be sacrificing your own people by sticking them behind closed quarters and for what? Taking a colony? What would you hope to achieve by doing this? See how you don't THINK? All you know is blow something up... thats the extent of your so-called tactical knowledge.

    "no, i don't play ANY SINGLE VIDEO OR PC GAME, looser. its freaking military, and you have yet to understand it."
    That explains a lot, but don't even hope you can convince me that you know anything about military. You prove that everytime you touch a keyboard.

    "if that involves blowing stuff up, you do it. end of story."
    If you have a lack of options, you do it. Luckily ST has proven more times than you could count, that there's almost always alternatives to such primitive methods. Notice I never need to argue what SW CAN do. I simply enjoy pointing out that's the ONLY thing they can do. #LOSERS


    "yeah, if YOU FAIL! no one gets fear of promotions"
    Now you're proven a liar. Vader killed someone and the next person in charge had a scared-shitless look on his face to be in the position of responsibility. The end of that scene was specifically intended to point out this most OBVIOUS fact, and yet you're stupid enough to argue against it. #NOTBUYINGIT

    "wow, retarded than this just can't get."
    Allow me to demonstrate: You suggest bombing, and I point out how primitive it is and give an example of something far more effective: 'set off nanoprobe discharge weapons in a few strategic areas and let their enemies become ALLIES!' to which, you replied, "bombing goes pretty much against what they are supposed to do."

    Tell you what - your stupidity is entertaining if nothing else. I'm actually amused with how that registered on the scale, like ringing the bell with a big hammer at the fairgrounds... DING!! registers loud and clear. Imagine if a bell really went off every time people said something stupid, it would be pretty embarrassing, for YOU.


    "or maybe it can...dude, THAT IS A FAVOR.
    "HEY, Q, MIND IF YOU DESTROY SOMEONE FOR US, OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF YOU HEART?" NO, NOT FAVOR AT ALL."
    It's actually silly to criticize you on the English language which you've shown NOT to have a grasp of, but lets just say she ends up negotiating - the most OBVIOUS result of asking someone for something if they're not perfectly willing. #DUH #LACKOFIMAGINATION

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    "yeah, and they are sooooooo smart of sending a timevessel into even the same time of that person, aren't they?"
    Comprehenshion #FAIL

    "don't you just get the idea that to make an alliance with the Borg..."
    I actually didn't say they'd form an alliance #READERFAIL

    [okay, hold on. you didn't get it the first time, and probably won't be any smarter this time] I said have Seven 'tell the Queen that SW has a hyperdrive she might be interested in' which is to imply, the BORG would end up taking them on.

    "extreme, no, awesome, yes. most people are aware of the Force, they know what it can do."
    Like Han: "Kid, I’ve flown from one side of the galaxy to the other, I’ve seen a lot of strange stuff, but I’ve never seen anything to make me believe there’s one all-powerful force controlling everything."

    :shake: your arguments

    "C3PO, RD,4-LOM (an INDEPENDENT bounty hunter droid) IG-88, another free droid, and tones of others..."

    okay, if this is a laughable character contest, you definitely win. :truce:

    However, I know u need to rinse your drawers... I beat the shit of you, plain and simple. Your effort to convince anyone failed, and you've done nothing but embarrass yourself. Kinda find it odd that you'd stuck around so long. #GLUTTON4PUNNISHMENT

    Go rinse'em, kid, B4 u start to smell up the place again.
     
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  7. alpinedigital Registered Senior Member

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    Meanwhile, back in the movie Empire Strikes Back...

    The Falcon bails on the asteroid field, the Star Destroyers ready themselves for their prey...

    Script:
    INTERIOR: STAR DESTROYER, AVENGER -- BRIDGE

    The tiny Falcon heads directly for the Avenger's bridge.
    The Imperials stationed there are stunned to see the small
    spaceship racing low across the hull, headed directly at the
    huge windows of the bridge area. Alarms go off everywhere. The
    Destroyer's commander, Captain Needa, can scarcely believe his
    eyes.

    NEEDA: They're moving to attack position. Shields up!

    Needa and his men duck as the Falcon nears the bridge
    window. At the last minute, the Falcon veers off and out of
    sight. All is quiet.

    ---------------------------------------------------

    So... shields are up, and yet Han manages to park the Falcon on the rear of the bridge tower... Oh, yeah, cuz nobody said 'raise guns' so they didnt have anything to shoot at them with back there, that's right!

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  8. alpinedigital Registered Senior Member

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    pretty much as I figured. Georgie cant handle me
     
  9. capt kirk Registered Member

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    actually star trek ships like the prometheus and intrepid classes can out manuver imperial star destroyers and some newer clases can beam while the shields are still active
     
  10. capt kirk Registered Member

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    starfleet ships are more manuverable and fighters dont do shit cause their lasers need to track the ships while the phasers aboard the enterprise can fire in any damn direction and still hit
     
  11. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    yeah sure. well pall, they won't even need galaxy wide accuracy, giving that even if they stay in federation territory, the feds STILL needs days or weeks to get to them, while they need even less than before. they can easily get maps by the Ferengi, or another greedy merchant.
     
  12. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    1.yes, the ship specs were not necessary, but i don't see the relevance.
    2. yes, shileds WOULD be enough.
    3. they didn't crash, they COLLIDED, after an over pride captain ordered the 3 ships to do a micro hyperspace jump inside a system (yes, they can do that), but the executor was already following the rebel fleet, and got in the way. they collided directly, with no time of any maneuvering.
     
  13. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    i don't even wanna start on this pile of bantha crap.l
     
  14. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    yeas, he did. first of all, we don't know if the shields are up in the first place. i know how that sounds, but that's the truth.
    secondly, they are right at the back of the ship.
    see the bridge back there?

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    learn to do research before making stupid conclusions.
     
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  15. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    through THEIR own shileds. whats the relevance?
    also, just wondering, how many prometheus and intrepid did they build?
     
  16. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Whoo boy, here we go again...

    This argument is going in circles... forgetting "debates" that were solved 300+ pages ago... lol...
     
  17. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Okay George, here's a question - how long does it take an ISD to raise it's shields? Cause by your argument, it took them LONGER to raise shields than it took for the Falcon to land on their ass...

    which, if true, begs the question... why did the commander give the order to raise shields? Was he afraid that the little falcon could punch thru the armor of an ISD via ramming?

    If so... did the COMMANDER think the shields would be up in time?

    Something is wrong here... either the COMMANDING OFFICER doesn't know his ship and it's systems well enough to know the shields won't come up before the Falcon impacts...

    OR

    The falcon landed on the ISD even WITH the shields up.

    Those are your options George... which is it?
     
  18. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    OH my God... I just realized something... I have PROOF that the Borg can, indeed, adapt to bullets...

    Star Trek: First Contact - the Borg go back in time and assimilate earth... obviously they can adapt to bullets because projectile weapons are still the primary weapon of the time (2063). Directed Energy weapons haven't been propagated yet, at least not into civilian ranks.

    Consider that it was simply a small Borg Sphere that got thru... that many drones could NOT wage war with mankind if they were unable to adapt to the weapons of the time.

    There ya have it folks - the Borg can, in fact, adapt to projectile weapons, should they view them as a threat!
     
  19. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    i don't know how long it takes for them to raise shields, however,between when the captain said to raise them and the Falcon disappeared wasn't that much, a couple of seconds. for all i can say, they didn't even raised them, cuz as far as i know, they couldn't have attached the SD with its shileds up. the Falcon had a windows here, a rare one cuz what Solo did was just plain and simply crazy.

    OF COURSE HE DID! what, you think the Falcon would have bounced off the unshielded ship while ramming?

    probably, but considering that the Falcon passed the bridge that fast, less than two seconds (not many people can react that fast) it didn't matter.
    of course, you excluded the human part. hey, remember that episode in which the Enterprise D is stuck in a time loop, and gets destroyed each time by a Miranda class that exits an anomaly? WHY DIDN'T THEY RAISED SHIELDS? if your so critical of SW shileds, please answer me why they didn't, when it had enough time? cuz i'm sure the more advance Galaxy's shields could have withstand the Miranda impacting. but the Miranda just hit them, no shields. so, i wonder why; Picard was to stupid to think of it or they didn't had enough time...

    as far as i know, they didn't. but please, bring the evidence for that.
    here's the evidence that it couldn't:
    every time in SW that a ship approach another shileded ship or any other shield,excluding the more primitive Gungan shield, the shield had to be off. Revenge of the Sith, Anakin had to shoot down the bay shield. Return of the Jedi, Solo and the gang had to trick the Empire into lowering the Planetary shield. and those are just a few, most important ones. there is also The Clone Wars episode Cat and Mouse, when the separatist command ship had those shileds that prevented torpedoes from launch. what do you get when you analyze all this? the SD Avenger had its shileds of when the Falcon piggybacked it.
     
  20. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    ok, go on.

    yeah, the "escape pod" from a Borg Cube. they were a lot more drones, but only the Sphere made it through.

    before i understand why the borg didn't time travel in the first place in another part of the galaxy to 2063 and then go to Earth without any resistance, i will tell you why what you said is bullshit.

    1. the bullets worked on the first drone.
    2.and on the second.

    beats me how much it takes them to adapt, but as far as i saw, the other one could have adapted.

    besides that, the logic you used stinks. First of, you assumed they were gonna invade. they were not there to invade, not in that time anyway. they were there to stop humanity from going warp, and therefore the UFP never existing. second, they were building up their numbers with the Enterprise crew.
    so there goes you silly assumption.
     
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    Proves nothing really, the state of the world at the time was shite, a few drones would have recieved little organized resistance until it was too late.
     
  22. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    yup.
     
  23. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Really? That explains how 16 year old Lilly had a mid-calibur full-auto assault rifle at the ready when Picard and Co entered the silo, right?

    Doesn't have to be organized resistance if they have no defense against it

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