What is all this crap?

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by makeshift, May 11, 2011.

  1. makeshift Registered Senior Member

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    The most factually correct way of viewing life, as I've come to see it, is as a particularly awful automated horror-ride. What makes it so bad is that it's not a standard horror-ride, in which you get spooked, but it's fun, because you can't get hurt and you know you don't have freedom to affect the outcome of anything anyway. In a standard horror-ride, it's all predestined and hokey and fun until it's done. Life is very much like that, except we don't know it. We don't know that we have no freedom, and we behave very much like we can get hurt, and there's a whole lot of freakin' ambiguity. That's why it stinks.

    The more I learn and think, the more I see a likely genetic determinism in political leanings. There's been recent science research that's found a gene which affects a dopamine receptor, which in turn affects whether one is likely to more liberal or conservative.

    I'm pretty sure there's research that backs up the idea that liberals are sad compared to conservatives. There's one piece in particular that explains that it has to do with how the different groups justify inequality. Liberals, by comparison, have a more external locus of control than conservatives. They feel weak, insecure, and upset, because they have no power. And they're correct. Conservatives, however, don't know that they have no power, and so they're a hell of a lot happier. They explain their wealth with 'hard work', 'resourcefulness' and other 'virtues'. Poor people have character flaws. If only you worked harder and put in more effort you'd have more money, and a better life. Ahhh, good old effort. What the hell is 'effort' anyway? I'll tell you what it is. Dopamine and norepinephrine.

    I live in a weird kind of place. I live in an extreme version of each world simultaneously. Most liberals will point to the 'man' for holding everyone down, and how there are few freedoms. I would agree but go further and say there is zero freedom, fundamentally. It's just the mechanics of the universe that we live in, and it wouldn't be the same kind of universe if 'freedom' existed. But simultaneously, I live in the world that conservatives live in. I very instinctively believe in taking responsibility, being self-sufficient, and being proactive in getting what I want, instead of complaining. That's what liberals do.

    I see this behavior all the time. There's one guy I know who is very liberal and has a master's degree in horticulture, and he was complaining to me about how he never made a lot of money, despite the fact that he only did what other people told him. Was a lot of money your intention? Does horticulture pay a lot? Are you supposed to get a degree, and then money automatically starts pouring in? Ever consider that the secret to success isn't doing everything that people tell you to do? How in the hell?... oh god. Every so often liberals come to me and complain because I made smart decisions and they made dumb ones. God damn nincompoops.

    Anyway, it sure is a funny and horrifying world we live in, isn't it?
     
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  3. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Reminds me of a song I heard...

    You come to the end
    And the light there is dimmer
    And chances are slimmer
    Of findin' your way
    You find that you stay out
    Of trouble and danger
    'Cause everything's stranger
    Than it used to be
    You're a scary old place out there world
    But I couldn't be happy without you
    And I swear all my thoughts are about you
    The most beautiful world in the world
    Well the light can be bright there
    And everything's right there
    The end of the night there might be a big band
    Or a heavenly chior--Or it might be the fire
    But no matter what happens
    I bet it's OK
    You're a scary old place out there world
    But I couldn't be happy without you
    And I swear all my thoughts are about you
    The most beautiful world in the world
    Your mountains when you're mad
    Your rivers when your sad
    And those deep blue seas
    I love you for your snow
    Your deserts down below
    I love the way you wear your trees
    The most beautiful world in the world
    And though there are times when I doubt you
    I just couldn't stay here without you
    So when you get older
    And over your shoulder
    You look back to see if it's real
    Tell her she's beautiful
    Roll the world over
    And give her a kiss and a feel
    So long, folks!
    Goodbye, Harry.
    See you next album, Richard.
    GOODBYE!

    Written by: Harry Nilsson
     
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  5. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Those who aren't free are only wearing the shackles of fear within their own minds not releasing themselves to the thoughts and adventures within ones own thinking.
     
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  7. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    WTF has the OP got to do with philosophy?
    It appears to be some sort of self-congratulatory diatribe...
     
  8. makeshift Registered Senior Member

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    Your face is a self-conflagrating indian tribe.
     
  9. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Excellent response.
    I can see now exactly why you posted it in Philosophy.
    You're clueless.
     
  10. makeshift Registered Senior Member

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    Fascinating. I didn't realize philosophy is a proper noun.

    Nincompoop.

    Are you a liberal by chance?
     
  11. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Huh?
    Philosophy is the title of this sub-forum.

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    Another self-referential comment?

    What's that got to do with anything? Are you an idiot?

    And still you haven't explained what the point of the OP is...
     
  12. universaldistress Extravagantly Introverted ... Valued Senior Member

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    I think it is a pessimistic, 'we are doomed', stream of consciouness malaise of nothingness chat attempts.

    Makeshift. This is a philosophy forum. Not a place to vent your day's/life's woes?

    Your vent is just a glancing view of your philosophy, maybe better suited for psychology or biology if written out in a more meaningful way.

    What is it you are after from your OP?

    Are you asking for opinions about lack of freedom in a structured universe/world? I think you need to pare down your subject a little?
     
  13. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    The thread doesn't appear to have anything to do with Philosophy. I think the OP is trying to link genetically influenced personality traits to political leanings. Unfortunately, it's kind of vague so it's rather hard to discuss (not to mention it's in the wrong sub-forum). If the thread creator did some research into the biological science of political leanings then there might be something much more substantial and interesting to discuss.
     
  14. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Conservatives are happy because ignorance is bliss.
     
  15. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

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    just keep swimming..
     

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