Is the Liar's Paradox really a paradox?

Ah, and by the way...

One of those "inane" quotes were from a Philosopher Socrates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates

A bit ironic to say a Philosopher is "inane" don't you think?

I had no idea that it was "inane" to be "Credited as one of the founders of Western philosophy".

 

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So what?

No I find it offensive that you still haven't answered my questions.

Then do so and stop waffling.

Er, you agree to disagree about me not liking your quotes?
How was the quote pertinent? How did it advance the discussion?

Makes no difference to me.

English?

 

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Would that be why you appended the word "Socrates" to it? I took it as a pretty big clue.

Ah, and you can't read either. I said the quote was inane. It wasn't relevant to the point at hand.

 

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It's a question. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Are you suggesting I added his name to a quote of my own?

Thus we are on an equal standing. Great counter.

 

What is?

I was pointing out that you telling me in that later post that the quote was from Socrates was superfluous.

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Still wrong. I merely showed where you failed to read.

Now, are you interested in using and applying logic and continuing the discussion or would you rather extend your hissy fit and do nothing but deflect and complain?
One option will ensure my serious attention (at least as much as it warrants), the other will result in sporadic posts that you, on the evidence so far, will only take offence at.
Either way, I have all the free time I need.

 

Doubtful. Pretty tender now...

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Yep, should be ready by suppertime.

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Apparently Socrates didn't think so. Explain to me how it is INCORRECT and we can go from there?

Notice the bold? (under an interpretation). Is that not, by definition, require perception? Answer the question.

Interpretation - explanation, as of the environment, a historical site, etc., provided by the use of original objects, personal experience, visual display material, etc.

Thus, it is also...

The act or process of interpreting.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/interpretation

Is it REALLY unrelated or are you assuming it is?

And you said I was throwing a hissy fit?

Did you even BOTHER reading the page?

Socratic method

"Perhaps his most important contribution to Western thought is his dialectic method of inquiry, known as the Socratic method or method of "elenchus", which he largely applied to the examination of key moral concepts such as the Good and Justice. It was first described by Plato in the Socratic Dialogues. To solve a problem, it would be broken down into a series of questions, the answers to which gradually distill the answer a person would seek. The influence of this approach is most strongly felt today in the use of the scientific method, in which hypothesis is the first stage. The development and practice of this method is one of Socrates' most enduring contributions, and is a key factor in earning his mantle as the father of political philosophy, ethics or moral philosophy, and as a figurehead of all the central themes in Western philosophy.

To illustrate the use of the Socratic method; a series of questions are posed to help a person or group to determine their underlying beliefs and the extent of their knowledge. The Socratic method is a negative method of hypothesis elimination, in that better hypotheses are found by steadily identifying and eliminating those that lead to contradictions. It was designed to force one to examine one's own beliefs and the validity of such beliefs. In fact, Socrates once said, "I know you won't believe me, but the highest form of Human Excellence is to question oneself and others."[17]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates

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The matter is complicated because the historical Socrates seems to have been notorious for asking questions but not answering, claiming to lack wisdom concerning the subjects about which he questioned others.[18] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates

Did you know he was answering questions with contradictory questions? When one question is questioned, another question is arisen. That is because, the contradictions exist. Have you STILL not realized this yet? Is it really that bloody hard to understand?

I assume that he was trying to prove to the world that the contradictions exist. But no, people assume he knew nothing. My dear God.

And you're, technically, proving this. How?

You're questioning every evidence I throw at you and contradicting my contradictions...

Thus, you are TECHNICALLY proving that contradictions exist. If they didn't exist, we wouldn't be this deep into the discussion.

As I have said before, you are just proving me right, not wrong, for, as I have said, You are TECHNICALLY proving that contradictions exist. If they didn't exist, we wouldn't be this deep into the discussion. if they didn't exist, Socrates wouldn't be contradicting every question made with another question that LOGICALLY links to it. You have heard of Wisdom. Each quote has something in it. It contains half the answer. There are some people who see a quote and take it into account that there REASONABLE contradictions that allow us to know that there are CERTAIN point of times WHICH it is UNWISE to use the quote.

For example, you wouldn't be saying ignorance is bliss during a crisis situation. I assume you hate pain correct?

That would be a point in time in which ignorance ISN'T bliss.

Life and death co-exist.

Reality and life co-exist.

Truth and lie co-exist.

Perception and reality co-exist.

Perception and logic co-exist.

And etc.

It gets to the point in which you should realize everything co-exists. Non-existence co-exists with existence.

If you REALLY think there is no contradiction to anything you have just said, I want you to GOOGLE and see the irony to your own words.

 

Oh good. Because as we all know he's irrefutably the last word.

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I see you missed my comment on inference.
And the fact that one can construct logical sequences on non-existent things.
Post #53.

Does it?
Maybe you mean something different by "perceive" than I do. Glaucon already addressed that.

Yes, it really is.

Correct.

Blah blah blah.

I think you should learn to read what I write, not insert your own preferences.

 

I think you are realizing you are proving the point that you refuse to further this discussion and, instead, wish to act like a child. I refuse to lower myself to your degree. Have fun arguing with yourself.

 

And the eisegesis comes into play yet again.
So much for your claimed ability to apply logic.

Isn't it funny how people can't see the wood for the tree they've built themselves?

 

It does? When?

Oh yeah - 36 posts ago...

Done yet?
Don't you realize you're playing mouse to the cat?

 

Oooh. Fancy word. I'll 'ave thet 'un off yer, an' ye don't mind.

 

Bad Dywyddyr. Bad cat. You've chased him off...

:bugeye:

Now what are we supposed to eat for dinner?

 

Aah, they don't come with the stamina they used to have in the old days.

 

Undernourished, they is. Not as many billy goats crossing rivers these days, yer sees.