Is America different from Al-Qaida?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Hani, Dec 20, 2010.

  1. Shadow1 Valued Senior Member

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    lol, ok
     
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  3. Hani Registered Senior Member

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    America and Israel must do either of two things:

    1-Give the Palestinians full civil rights and stop the blatant racist discrimination.
    2-Get out of Palestinian territory and let the Palestinians rule themselves.

    The problem is that neither Israel nor America want to do either of these things. They want instead to keep the Palestinian territory, fill it up with imported Jews and kick out the Palestinians... and after that people wonder why people from the Middle East come to America to blow themselves up.

    This is a more complicated issue than it looks. America itself was founded by Christian fundamentalists who stole other people's land. What Israel is doing is to recreate the American experience in the Middle East. I think this is why so many Americans support Israel-- it is simply because they are racists themselves and they see their legacy in what Israel does. Sorry for being too frank.
     
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  5. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    You're not being frank, you're just showing pure ignorance and self-bias. Practically EVERY piece of land in the whole world was taken from someone else - a lot of it was taken multiple times. Apparently you know absolutely nothing about the history of Europe NOR the Middle East. :shrug:
     
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  7. Hani Registered Senior Member

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    This proves what I was saying. Trying to justify your racism does not work, it is still called RACISM, no matter how common it was.
     
  8. PsychoTropicPuppy Bittersweet life? Valued Senior Member

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    Uh, sure...I wonder how many Jews you've met in your life and how many of those you've met were killing people. There's no reason to love Jews, according to you, but I thought your religion is a love seeking one so that makes me wonder why you're so partial on this subject.

    It's funny how you reprimanded me for not using the word Zionist, because apparently there are also Jews who are not Zionists and murderers, but at the same time you claim that most Jews are Zionists and murderers. I guess, if that's the case then there's no underlying point in differentiating between Jew and Zionist.
     
  9. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    A few details, not that they will matter to you. The US is not occupying any part of Palestinian territory.

    You obviously have no clue as to the US position on this issue. For many decades now the US has been pushing both sides for a two state solution and the US was nearly successful in doing so in the Clinton administration. However, the Palestinians and Israel could not agree on the issue Jerusalem.

    If you think that Jerusalem is native Palestinian land, ask yourself why they call it the Jerusalem.
    No one here in the US wonders why radical Muslims come to this country in an attempt to kill people. The answer is obvious. They are criminals.
    Again your ignorance is showing. America was founded by people seeking religious freedom. And yes, native Americans were displaced and abused. People displacing others has been human history. It happened all over the world and by every people. So now you want to ignore the transgressions of all others and focus just on a few?

    Israel is doing what it is doing to support the goal of a Zionist state. It has nothing to do with the US. I don't know where you get the notion that most Americans support Israel. Most American politicians support Israel. But I don't think the average Joe or Jane cares anything about Israel. I will grant you that some fundamentalist Christians support Israel because they see it as a condition for the second coming of Christ - not because they are racists or see because they see any similarities with Israel and the US.

    One final point, Jews and Palestinians are of the same blood line. So where does this racism come into the picture? I think before you call others racist, you should look at yourself.
     
  10. jmpet Valued Senior Member

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    Good OP.

    Israel was given to the Jews as a result of the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and after the genocide... after World War Two. At a time when the land has without government and in chaos. The UN came in and established the state then the Jews came in to live. After that, it's been non-stop war against "the rest of the Middle East".

    The US is an ally because we gave Israel nukes decades ago to help us in the Cold War... to blow up Russia if Russia blows us up first. That is foremost why Israel is our ally- we have this secret pact. Only today the Israelis are pointing their nukes at Iran instead and in this case, the US' job is to back them up in turn.

    Palestine wants the world to come to them with the offer of sovereign land which was done 60 years ago and they answered with bullets. Little has changed.

    Israel and Palestine need to come together, make peace and establish borders for both nations. Plain and simple.
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Because Shalem was a Ugarit deity, hence the name of the city Urshalim or as it is known in Arabic أورشليم القدس i.e. Urshalim Al Quds [The holy foundation of Shalem]. It is mentioned in pre-Judean writings like the Amarna letters where in Akkadian it was called Urušalim
     
  12. Hani Registered Senior Member

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    It is really ignorant to think that Jerusalem is a Hebrew word. Please go read something. Even the OT does not say that.

    The Hebrews appeared in Canaan for the first time around 1200 BCE, and they didn't enter Jerusalem until much later. Palestine is much older than the Jews, who really never had any proven political authority over Jerusalem.
     
  13. Hani Registered Senior Member

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    The idea of "two states" is a racist idea that was rejected by the Arabs for a long time. The Arabs wanted to keep Palestine a single democratic country for all citizens. The Western imperialists on the other hand wanted to create a "Jewish state" in Palestine. The "Jewish state" was supposed to be a Western colony in the region, and this colony has been expanding since and now they control all of Palestine and a part of Syria and treat the Palestinians as their slaves.
     
  14. Hani Registered Senior Member

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    If had the power, I would create a French state in Louisiana, a Spanish state in Florida, an African state in Mississippi, a Confederate American state in the rest of the south, a Native American state in Oklahoma, a Mexican state in the south west, a Muslim state in Illinois, and a Jewish state in New York.

    This is a so fair arrangement.
     
  15. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Oh if only the Nazi has won the world!

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  16. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Well if you had the power, which you don't, you would need a majority of the people to follow you. And that ain't gonna happen. Because most people don't want what you want.
     
  17. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    You like to use broad strokes don't you. Not all Arabs have rejected the two state solution. Point in fact, I think most Arab states have endorsed the two state solution.

    It would be more correct of you to say radical fringe elements on both sides do not want a two state solution. You are living in a fanstasy land friend. Just where do you get the notion that the Jewish state was supposed to ba a western colony? That is jibberish. It may play well with the fringe, but it is baseless nonsense. And I challenge you to prove it.
     
  18. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    I agree, Joe. Practically every statement made by the OP in this thread is sheer nonsense and the result of nearly insane thought processes. This thread deserves nothing less than to be Cesspooled and locked.
     
  19. Shadow1 Valued Senior Member

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    yes it is, but, well, i can't love everyone, lol, and i didnt say i hate jews, but i DO hate zionists, means, israeilians.
    also, what i meant, not that jews are murders! but, most jews are zionists right? israeil killing people, israeilians are zionists. so, when i say, there's no reason to love jews, i mean, the jews in general, doesnt mean the jews, but the zionists, because zionists, are after all jews, but there are many jews who are not zionists, and i can garenty that, so, when i say, there's no reason to love jews in general, in an ignorant way, and a non specific way, but specifcly, the zionists jews, and yes, all zionists are murders, and you don't have to kill to be a murder, you can just approve on killing and you can be a murder.
    so, you got my point?
     

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