Is America different from Al-Qaida?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Hani, Dec 20, 2010.

  1. Hani Registered Senior Member

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    Let's let aside the slogans. Everybody calls themselves "the land of the free" and the "best country," etc.

    In reality however, what I see is the following: a war between a religious fanatic group and a country whose representative in the Middle East is Israel—another religious fanatic.

    Israel is a racist Jewish-only state. They are ruling millions of Palestinians without giving them civil rights or letting them establish an independent state. Even the few Palestinians who have Israeli citizenship are under continuous threat of losing their citizen rights.

    I don't know what racism is if this wasn't racism. For me, this is nothing different from the former apartheid in South Africa. We have colonizers (the Jews) who have civil rights, and natives (Palestinians) who don't. The Palestinians are supposed to leave their country, and if they don't they must accept to live without civil rights in a "Jewish only" state or be killed because they are terrorists. A Jewish person from anywhere in the world can gain Israeli citizenship automatically just by showing up in Israel, but Palestinians can't have Israeli civil rights even though they have been living there for millennia.

    The US is only blind ally of Israel in the world. Everybody else sharply criticizes Israel--even the Europeans. Why does America support such a blatantly racist state? It is religious fanaticism, nothing else. You believe that by making the lives of millions of Palestinians miserable the Christ will come back. I can't see the difference between the US and Al-Qaida. Both are killing innocent people in the name of religion. Palestinian civilians are still "people," even if they are not Christian. There is NO difference between an American killed in America and a Palestinian killed in Palestine—it is the same.

    America has no moral right to fight against al-Qaida as long as it supports Israel. Israel is worse than Al-Qaida.
     
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  3. toltec Registered Senior Member

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    Lots of countries are worse than Al-Qaida, lots of groups are worse than Al-Qaida, even several western countries are worse than Al-Qaida. However you mistake, fighting Al-Qaida has nothing to do with 'rights', it's done because they are a threat.
     
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  5. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    Blithering nonsense.
     
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  7. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    A better question would be how are they the same? For one I would like to see how we can equate a country (or two contaminants: America) with a small landless organization.
     
  8. Hani Registered Senior Member

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    I am equating the government of the United States with Al-Qaida. It doesn't matter whether one of them controls land or not. This is irrelevant. I am talking here about policy. If I was killed by a blast in the street, it would not matter to me whether this was from an al-Qaida bomber or a bomb dropped by an Israeli warplane.

    We have a war between a religious extremist group (Al-Qaida) and a holy alliance of two religious fanatic governments (US and Israel). If you try to understand US policy in the Middle East, you will find that it can only be understood from a religious fanatic perspective. It has nothing to do with US interests in the region, and the first one to note that out was US Secretary of State George Marshall in 1947.

    BTW, Israel also is landless. Israel doesn't have official political borders. Israel operates in Palestinian territories without officially considering them part of it. Israel acts as if it owns the land (by controlling it and founding settlements on it) but not the people. This is what they have been doing for decades. They take the land and get rid of the people.
     
  9. Hani Registered Senior Member

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  10. Hani Registered Senior Member

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    Supporting the racist state of Israel was America's biggest mistake in the 20th century. It drove the Arab world away from America into the hands of the Soviets, and evenutally the national frustrantion of the Arabs combined with the massive anti-America sentiment gave rise to the phenominon of Islamic extremism which caused 9/11 and drew America into Afghanistan and Iraq.

    America lost too much in the Arab world for a very bad cause, which is to support a racist Jewish-only state. America should have supported instead a democratic country for all citizens regardless of reiligion, which was what the Arabs wanted.
     
  11. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Would you please tell me the great things Al-Qaida has done for humanity and what they are doing to better themselves?
     
  12. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    More blithering nonsense.
     
  13. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Al-Qaeda is not even a government, not only does it not control land it does not even control people.

    What policy? Al-Qaeda does not have a policy.

    Wait, Israel? I thought you wanted to talk about "America"?

    I would not say the USA is run by religious fanatics, certianly many religious leaders in the USA, many policies persuaded by religious zionism, but the government as a whole is not run by them.

    And Oil tycoons and Military companies and anti-communist.

    Again I don't care about Israel, thought this was an argument about America?
     
  14. Hani Registered Senior Member

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    Israel is an American colony. Without America, Israel is nothing. If you ask the Islamist terrorists why do you attack America instead of Israel, they will tell you that what Israel does is America's fault.
     
  15. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    Adn you're wrong and they're wrong and this whole thread has begun with premises that really should not be even considered.
     
  16. PsychoTropicPuppy Bittersweet life? Valued Senior Member

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    An other rant thread about PalestineXIsrael ¬.¬
     
  17. Shadow1 Valued Senior Member

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    nope, no difference...
     
  18. Shadow1 Valued Senior Member

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    you are completly right, but, let's face it, jews controll the huge companies, huge companies controll america, effcorse, america is all runned by money and buisness, means, by companies, i can israeil controll america, that's why even in the world economy crisis, and even today, if .u.s. stops it's supoort to israeil, wich is 13% of it's budget, the u.s budget, it will save itself, and stop the dollar meltdown, and put her self in the safe zone.
    i can say, jews are the real people who are already ruling the leaders, if not all, then most, and they are making their own jewish country. no, not proganada
     
  19. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    How many do they control? Which ones are they? Last time I looked most companies were controled by other religious types. Can you post a link to show us where you get your information from so we can see that you are giving us the correct facts?
     
  20. Hani Registered Senior Member

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    Well, let's say some Jews misuse their influence. We don't want to turn it into an anti-Jew topic.
     
  21. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    What a bunch of idiotic tripe!!!!:bugeye:

    Tell me, please, just WHEN and WHERE has Al-Qaeda advanced science in general, agriculture or medical science (and a thousand other BENEFICIAL advances) fed millions of starving people in Africa and supplied food and medicine to MANY other countries across the globe?????????????
     
  22. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    As an example most oil production countries are not owned by Jews but by other religions including Muslims.
     
  23. Hani Registered Senior Member

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    The Israel lobby is the most powerfull influencer of US foreign policy. This is a well known fact.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_lobby_in_the_United_States

    But to be realistic, this is not a "Jewish" issue. I believe the problem has to do with the Americans in general. The American people is way too religious, and sadly they tend to hold the worst and most fundamentalist interpretations of Christianity.
     

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