Tupac

Discussion in 'Art & Culture' started by Adam, Sep 13, 2002.

  1. Dansgurl69 Registered Member

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    i dont think he wil fake his death! and i read the story on how he died iight sooo u people need to go some where with that!!
     
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  3. DaMenace123 Registered Member

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    Tupac Shakur was one of the greatest rappers of all time in my opinion. He had great rapping skills and was able to hold onto a beat as well as any rapper anyone can name. I agree that there are plenty of rappers out there who surpass his skills, yet he still stands out. Why? Because he had a message to spread that was different than everything else that was coming out at the time. The majority of rap was about glorifying violence, bragging about money, sex, lifestyle, etc. This is EXTREMELY visible in mainstream rap today, which is why the industry is shit. Tupac understood the problems faced by under privelaged people growing up and living in the ghettos of America. He sang about their problems, hoping to raise enough concern to create some initiative to change the situations faced by these people. Tupac knew where he grew up, he understood it, persevered and escaped, yet he never forgot who he was, he represented for all those voiceless lowest-class people who the world will never see.
     
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  5. ozmonster Registered Senior Member

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    Best rapper that has ever lived. He had extraordinary intellectual and creative power. No question.

    oz
     
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  7. sycoindian myxomatosis> Registered Senior Member

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    definitely a fantastic rapper and a mad poet.. he had good skills.. of course he had his gangsta rap side... at the same time he wrote about the reality of life and what he went through... 'hit em up' is probably one of the best diss ever in music history... and then you got 'changes', 'dear mama'... he was real versatile..

    i have to admit that the mainstream rap music scene is pure shit... there is nothin good out... this is when you dig up the underground ish... there are rappers out who make good stuff... mos def, talib kweli, k-os, common, nas, dilated peoples, black eyed peas, rascalz etc etc... there's this group called da grassroots from toronto.. they made a cd a few yrs ago called 'passage through time'.. one of the best hip hop albums ever... very hard to find cuz they only cut a few hundred copies..
    rap music hasn't died... there's always a few ppl who are makin it cuz they love it... anywayzz.. enuf of my shpiel..

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  8. *stRgrL* Kicks ass Valued Senior Member

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    Some of his poetry...

    THE SUN AND THE MOON

    Your ways r similar 2 the rays of the sun
    Warm 2 many but 2 strong 4 some
    The more u R needed the brighter u shine
    Watched 4 2 long and your brilliance will blind
    The eyes of mortal men who threaten u with doom
    They regret 2 c u set but it is time 4 the moon

    THINGS THAT MAKE HEARTS BREAK

    Pretty smiles deceiving laughs and people who dream with their eyes open
    lonely children unanswered cries and souls who have given up hoping
    The other thing that breaks hearts R fairy tales that never come true
    and selfish people who lie 2 me selfish people just like u

    I CRY

    Sometimes when I'm alone I Cry,
    Cause I am on my own.
    The tears I cry are bitter and warm.
    They flow with life but take no form
    I Cry because my heart is torn.
    I find it difficult to carry on.
    If I had an ear to confiding,
    I would cry among my treasured friend,
    but who do you know that stops that long,
    to help another carry on.
    The world moves fast and it would rather pass by.
    Then to stop and see what makes one cry,
    so painful and sad.
    And sometimes...
    I Cry
    and no one cares about why.

    AND TOMORROW

    Today is filled with anger
    fueled with hidden hate
    scared of being outcast
    afraid of common fate
    Today is built on tragedies
    which no one wants 2 face
    nightmares 2 humanities
    and morally disgraced
    Tonight is filled with rage
    violence in the air
    children bred with ruthlessness
    because no one at home cares
    Tonight I lay my head down
    but the pressure never stops
    knawing at my sanity
    content when I am dropped
    But 2morrow I c change
    a chance 2 build a new
    Built on spirit intent of Heart
    and ideals
    based on truth
    and tomorrow I wake with second wind
    and strong because of pride
    2 know I fought with all my heart 2 keep my
    dream alive

    ~Peace
     
  9. Dansgurl69 Registered Member

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    i have to agree 2pac was one of the best rappers and still is today! I also have to agree that he was real about what he rapped and wrote. he wasnt about sex and all that bad stuff.he was about life and what goes on in it.I think that 2pac is up in heaven looking down at all his fans that he still ahs today and hes saying thank you!!
     
  10. YoungWriter Audiophile Registered Senior Member

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    ADAM

    Please, check out Tupac's book of poetry called "The Rose that Grew from Concrete." I think this is before he became a rap star, and I know that it contains no cursing, but heartfelt poetry.

    Tupac is considered great because he was one of the first big rap stars. He wrote meaningful lyrics instead of his "bling bling."

    And a rapper who performs with a live band always gains a few extra points.

    Suggested songs: Dear Mama, Pain
     
  11. Dansgurl69 Registered Member

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    ok i have to check it out!! and that is soo true 2pac i love him !!
     
  12. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    Hit Em Up:


    First off, fuck your bitch and the click you claim
    West side when we ride come equipped with game
    You claim to be a player but I fucked your wife
    We bust on Bad Boy niggaz fucked for life
    Plus Puffy tryin ta see me weak hearts I rip
    Biggie Smallz and Junior Mafia. some mark ass bitches
    We keep on comin' while we runnin for ya jewels
    steady gunnin, keep on bustin at the fools, you know the rules
    Little Ceaser, go ask ya homie how I leave ya
    cut your young ass up, leave you in pieces, now be deceased
    Lil Kim, don't fuck around with real G's
    Quick to snatch yo' ugly ass off tha street, so fuck peace
    I let them niggas know it's on for life
    So let the West side ride tonight
    Bad Boy murdered on wax, and killed
    Fuck wit' me and get ya caps peeled, you know ... see ...


    Grab ya glocks, when you see Tupac
    Call the cops, when you see Tupac, uhh
    Who shot me, but ya punks didn't finish
    Now ya bout to feel the wrath of a menace
    NIGGA, I hit em' up...




    . . . Oh yeah, Mobb Deep, you wanna fuck with us?
    You little young ass motherfuckers
    Don't one of you niggaz got sickle cell or somethin?
    You fuckin with me nigga you fuck around
    and have a seizure or a heart-attack
    You better back the fuck up, fore you get smacked the fuck up
    That's how we do it on our side
    Any of you niggaz from New York that wanna bring it bring it
    But we ain't singin, we bringin drama
    Fuck you and your motherfuckin mama
    We gonna kill all you motherfuckers
    Now when I came out I told you it was just about Biggie
    Then everybody had to open their mouth with a motherfuckin opinion
    Well this how we gonna do this
    Fuck Mobb Deep
    Fuck Biggie
    Fuck Bad Boy as a staff record label
    and as a motherfuckin crew
    And if you wanna be down with Bad Boy
    Then fuck you too
    Chino XL, fuck you too
    All you motherfuckers, fuck you too

    Alla y'all motherfuckers, fuck you die slow motherfucker
    My fo'-fo' make sure all y'all kids don't grow
    You motherfuckers can't be us or see us
    We the motherfuckin Thug Life ridahs West side till we die!
    Out here in California we warn ya we'll bomb on you motherfuckers
    We do our job
    You think you mob, nigga we the motherfuckin mob
    Ain't nuttin but killers and the real niggaz
    All you motherfuckers feel us
     
  13. spookz Banned Banned

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    no! fuck you tupac!
     
  14. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    Get some help spookz.
    The guy is dead.

    I take it you dislike that song.
    It's my favorite Tupac song.
     
  15. NightFall Lazy Hedonist Valued Senior Member

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    cool skill:
    ever do any fan stuff then?

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  16. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    Fan stuff?
    What do you mean?
    Do I do my fans?
    lol.
     
  17. NightFall Lazy Hedonist Valued Senior Member

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    no.. do you ever do any rap thingies (im sorry, im just not into that kinda music a much, and i dont know what you call it. ).. becuase you write... or however you put it.. and you are good at it.. i was wondering if you did any fan type stuff.. ahh. n/m.
     
  18. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    fan stuff.
    lmao.
    Sorry, nighty, I still have no idea what you mean.
    It's a funny phrase though.
    I probably do lots of fan stuff and don't even know it. lol.
     
  19. secretasianman Registered Senior Member

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    2Pac the artist

    Well, as it turns out I was thinking about 2Pac and have been listening to All Eyez on Me (his double album and considered by some critics to be his "magnum opus", if you will) regularly for a little while now... strange since I first listened to it in the 6th grade, which got me listening to rap, which I have largely ceased to do... 2Pac excepted. Even then, I appreciated his ability to hold a beat; his "attack"; an unmistakable voice. Yesterday afternoon, the line "Dear God return me to my essence" (off "I Ain't Mad at Cha" - dig the jazz piano in the background) made me consciously reflect on 2Pac as artist... and lines like " 'Black Power' is what we scream as we dream in a paranoid state/ and our fate is a lifetime of hate" (Only God Can Judge Me - powerful, immediate; there are many more like this) helped confirm this belief... At times, when reading some of his poetry and listening to All Eyez on Me, I imagine I see Tupac's frustration with the limitations of his art... trapped not only in the game, but also by his own means of artistic expression. Or perhaps he speaks of the irony and frustration of Black life in America (which I don't pretend to understand, bear in mind)... From what little I've seen and heard, Tupac was one of those artists who was able to relate to "the masses," to tap into the soul-current of a people (as serious artists do)... perhaps in the same way that Kurt Cobain spoke to his audience... To substantiate this viewpoint one would have to read his poetry, listen to his music, perhaps watch his movies... and express oneself clearly and poetically (like a Nabokov or a tiassa

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    ) to sway the hearts and minds of one's readers... and it won't be me writing this particular thesis paper - and if you don't understand, well I suppose that art is usually controversial... EDIT: Or maybe you're not in his intended audience...

    EDIT: Yes, I know that the two lines I quoted may demonstrate what I perceive as art rather than anything relevant to 2Pac... I wanted to convince you to "keep an open mind," whatever that's supposed to mean, and however you're supposed to do that...

    peace
     
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  20. Dansgurl69 Registered Member

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    for the person who sed ''fuck u 2pac''

    ok for the hater that sed ''fuck u 2pac'' well that shit was just fucked up!! U had no rite saying that shit.Just because u dont like him dont mean u got to go poppin shit about him!!! well 2pac was one of the greatest rappers that ever lived!!!!!! well he was actually the best!!!! his songs meant something and they werent about drugs,sexs and all that other shit!! iight so if u gonna pop shit then make shore ur facts are rite!!!!! oh ya one more thing 2pac was about something unlike u!!!!
     
  21. Dansgurl69 Registered Member

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    that was for coolskill well i think he knows who he is bc he sed fuck u 2pac
     
  22. NightFall Lazy Hedonist Valued Senior Member

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    ^you really are a moron arn't you...:bugeye:
     
  23. YoungWriter Audiophile Registered Senior Member

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    Re: for the person who sed ''fuck u 2pac''


    First off, learn to spell. Second, cursing doesn't help you prove your point. Third, people have different opinions. And fourth, his songs did contain multiple drug references and all songs are open to interpertation (Even "Dear Mama" has a drug reference).
     

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