Israel gets clear skies to attack Iran nuke sites...

That was my point, Buffalo guy. I have been reading the same news articles that you have. I see a lot of assumptions in there about Iran's intentions, but that's it.

Having the ability to produce weapons grade enriched uranium is not the same as actually doing so. Attacking Iran over this would be like shooting your neighbor in self-defense because he bought a grill that he could conceivably use for smelting home-made bullets to put into a gun that he would have to design and build himself, using stone tools.

And do you think I even like Iran? Can you see me having any special fondness toward Iran? What I am talking about here is the gap between what people are assuming about this situation and what is actually evident.

You guys have been talking about this as if Iran already has a bomb on the production line. Do you know what that makes you? It makes you liars. It makes you a liar, buffalo boy.

 

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Obviously, you are a useless, washed-up old fart.

 

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Israel does it all the time, and it doesn't bother the Americans. I don't think anyone in the US bothers with election rigging in India, though it happens on a much larger scale. We call it booth capturing. You call it Diebold machine fraud/Black Box Voting. Its only a problem when it happens in Iran. In Saudi Arabia, its not even an issue how violently demonstrations are put down.

 

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I agree with your assessment of Iran and I support Obama, please do not underestimate his judgement. Of course peace would be preferrable, many of Iran's people disagree with their leadership. If the US or Israel bombs Iran, it would set back any existing hope for internal reform in Iran, especially if we could not prove our claims to the international community. I don't think Iran would outright nuke Israel, it would destroy the Palestinian territories too. They would just use the threat of it to prevent nuclear retaliation when they break the blockade of Gaza, bring in all sorts of heavy weapons, and engage Israel in a conventional war.

 

Daniel 12:4 ...knowledge will increase...

Biblical Prophecy: Israel to be Restored as an Independent Nation in 1948

Genesis 17:8, Ezekiel 4:4-6, Ezekiel 37:1-14, Isaiah 66:8-9, Zechariah 12:2-3
http://brittgillette.com/WordPress/?p=16
http://brittgillette.com/WordPress/?p=28

Long ago the Bible predicted these events would transpire in the last days:
1) The gathering of the Jews into their homeland
2) The rebirth of Israel in a single day
3) The rebirth of Israel in the year 1948
4) Israel’s possession of Jerusalem
5) The nations of the earth aligned against Israel
6) The war of Gog / Magog
7) The rebuilding of the Jewish Temple
Five of these seven prophetic events have already been fulfilled, and the final two are certain to follow.

http://www.bible-prophecy.com/israel.htm

 

How old are you?

 

Do you realize the breed of maniac we're talking about? I actually trust Pakistan. North Korea, eh, maybe. Iran? Ha! We're all dead. I have an Iranian side to my family(refugees/political asylum). They'll happily tell you what those crazies in Tehran are all about. This isn't like worrying if Turkey would ever use the bomb. Iran will.

 

Bingo. Smart and hot. I like you.

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Information Explosion:

But you, Daniel, keep this prophecy a secret; seal up the book until the time of the end, when many will rush here and there, and knowledge will increase."
Daniel 12:4​

The bit about people rushing to and fro is supposed to predict mass transit and other modern methods of transport.

As to the reformation of Israel,

Ezekiel 20:33-35 (New International Version)

33 As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I will rule over you with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with outpoured wrath. 34 I will bring you from the nations and gather you from the countries where you have been scattered—with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with outpoured wrath. 35 I will bring you into the desert of the nations and there, face to face, I will execute judgment upon you.​

Plus, of course, all those end times prophesies involving Israel couldn't come true if there were no Israel.

 

What's a flu stain? :shrug: beats me.

 

So, how powerful would a nuke be that Iran could make? The one NK detonated was puny. I think a MOAB would be more powerful.


Look, it's becoming easier and easier to manufacture man-made viruses. Soon some Religious nutter is going to carry out God's will by creating a virus that wipes out much of mankind. It's really much MORE of a threat than a nuke. A virulent flu may wipe billions of people from the planet (maybe a good thing?). History suggests that a virus is a much the bigger threat. BUT, that's thinking logically. People don't like to do that do that? Not when "Iran" is being bad (the use of semantics should make you shudder).

 

They don't make bombs like Hiroshima or Czar Bomba anymore because they're impractical and cause too much collateral damage. There are still plenty of those big boys around for sure, but you won't see them being used by first world armies. If they are used, it'll be like they did in "Red Dawn" to disrupt lines of communication and then ceased in lieu of conventional warfare to occupy territory.

Tactical Nukes that can wipe a small enemy base off the face of the planet in an instant are more common/likely. They're easier to make, can be used with relative precision, and maximize damage to an enemies infrastructure/military vs ordinance used. Iran would be much more interested in producing these sorts of weapons because they have allies near and around Israel, and if they are used defensively, they would want to minimalize damage done to their own country.

 

I just don't think nukes are what we should really be concerned about. One virus is all it takes. Even a decade ago we made a virus that wiped out hundreds of thousands of rabbits. It's not all that hard. The technology we have today is light-years ahead of 10 years ago. There are people making viruses to kill humans as we speak. The North Koreans said as much themselves.

 

You don't even have to kill humans... kill something we depend on. Kill the crops, kill the farm animals. The people will follow.

*Speaking objectively that is*

 

the more countries threaten to attack Iran and isolate it the more they will feel backed into a corner. the more they feel backed into corner the more likely they will pursue and than use a nuke.

 

Bet I like you more.

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Have you ever heard of Chamberlain?

Peace in Our Time?

People,like you back in the late 1930tys, said the same about Hitler, and Germany, guess where that lead to?

 

Best post I've seen all week!

 

Iran doesn't have the military to just run over several major countries in the course of a year. One or two nukes, if they actually get them (I haven't seen any proof that they have any) are not going to be a huge boost to their hypothesized conquests. Who would they nuke first, and where? How many would they get? How would they deliver them? How may countries would rally to Iran's side if they preemptively detonated a nuclear weapon in another country?

How many of these questions can be answered adequately? How many different answers could you get from a dozen different experts on them? A dozen?
Any preemptive attack by the US or Israel based on flawed intelligence or simply malicious intent (no, our leaders don't generally have our best interests in mind) would be foolish in the extreme.
We are nearly bankrupt. Some would say indeed we already are, many times over. We have a stretched thin military. We are facing a police state and erosion of our constitution here at home and eroding public relations abroad. Tell me why the hell a strike first, ask questions later policy would be in our best interest if it can't be proven what nuclear capabilities Iran has? Have you so soon forgotten why "we" invaded Iraq? We don't need another frikkin debacle. It would probably put what is left of the republic in the grave.

 

The premise that there's a distinction between the two is CIA Imperialist Propaganda for excusing Genocide. The Truth is that they're all Zionist Nazis, and the Time of the Final Judgement is nigh.