new evidence of aliens and the great pyramid

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience Archive' started by sifreak21, Apr 21, 2010.

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do you believe the ancient egyptians had extraterrestrial help

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  2. No

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  3. Not quite sure

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  1. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    I think this server was constructed with primitive tools. Or maybe just the people on it.
     
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  3. funkstar ratsknuf Valued Senior Member

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    Is that a compliment on my chiseled features?
     
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  5. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Depends how well they weather the elements. Unless you were also made by aliens.
     
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  7. sojourner Registered Member

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    I agree I think most people hope it would be true. I wonder why they have such a perception of "aliens" that would led them into thinking it would be a good thing. Why would we think their intentions would be honorable. In 1492 the "aliens" in the 3 ships from Spain weren't. Not very many of the native inhabitants of the island they visited, ended-up surviving the encounter.
     
  8. sifreak21 Valued Senior Member

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    no one has come up with a timeline that supporst a massive slave army built the prymids. nor has anyone came up with any evidance on how it was done.. and the biggest how the blocks were moved.. prymids are just a small feat even if they came up with how thoes blocks were moved lets say it was by slaves ok.. how where the 3 titanic stones moved? all over 1000tons one that hadnet been moved yet was 1200 or so
     
  9. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Well lets look at it like this: (Not necessarily factual answers, but hell you're dealing with made up facts why can't I?)

    Why were they built?
    A monument to the pharaoh they were constructed for, without a proper burial they couldn't move on to the next life. (That would be a museum exhibit as a mummy)

    When did they start building them?
    As soon as a new pharaoh was crowned, they would keep building them to be bigger as long as the pharaoh was alive, in good health and treated their people correctly. If the pharaoh died or was killed, obviously they finished the pyramid off at what ever height it accumilated to as a monument to whether they were a great leader... or not. (check the small ones out for crappy leaders.)

    How did they move such large stones?
    log rollers, sand sledges, oxen, man power, Reed barges and even primative pully systems. (They actually dug ditches/waterways for transport in some instances)

    If the Sphinx has no nose, how does he smell?
    Thats an olde.... "Terrible!"
    As for what actually happened to the nose, it's likely something similar to Rome. Sometimes defacement of an oppositions "idols" was done to lessen the influence it had over the people of an area.


    How do you know you're are right?
    An alien told me.... NOT!
    You can however tell aliens weren't involved, afterall the pyramids followed particular designs and the designers were sometimes sealed in there with their pharaoh. No beam me up scotty!.
     
  10. sifreak21 Valued Senior Member

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    made up facts?
    tell me this then
    1. how long did it take to build the great prymids
    2. how where the massive stones moved
    3. how where they so percise NSEW and so persice as to the holes pointing directly at starts

    i know lots of made up facts there right
     
  11. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    They were build during the Pharoahs lifetime, a monument to their leadership.
    If they died, they would obviously stop building the pyramid and complete it because they would have a new pharoah to undertake pyramid building for.


    People power and the engineering of the time. Believe me if you are going to have the task of moving a rock, you will get the rock moved, no matter how much manpower is required, esp. if the job pays well (and you get free beer.)

    Well back in the old days, there were no Tomtom's or Satnav's. Most people that travelled distances relied upon the only sites that didn't change, they couldn't rely completely upon monuments or mountains on a horizon because obviously they would slowly change as you travel (esp. in desert areas were there is but shifting dunes that all look the same, travelling by night was also cooler). So they relied on navigation by the sun and the stars.

    This was handy with planning out basic directions from one major city to another, because afterall if you were to settle a city 3 days west based upon a particular star, all people would know that they would require travelling 3 days towards that star to reach the destination. (as long as they stayed on course)

    Obviously different focal points (cities, temples etc) would have identified the nearby cities and directions you would have to go via the stars. You could probably appreciate this method of navigation by looking at the nazca lines, you'll notice paths formed nearby each "site" which would use what was placed on the ground as a signpost in regards to what to expect in the area.

    i know lots of made up facts there right[/QUOTE]
     
  12. sifreak21 Valued Senior Member

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    would have been impossible to move aproximatly 2.3 million with an average weight of 2.5 tonnes in 60 years



    there is a limit to what you can build in a timefram and the timeframe you suggest is impossible lets do the math on oh 60 years
    60x365=219000
    2.3million/219000 = 105
    105a day /24 = 4.3 blocks an hour 24hours a day 7 days a week for 60 years not calculating the holes that needed to be boared in for theairways nor walk ways


    geat explination on how they traveled not howeve on how they were less than 1deg off of true north south east and west and alighted perfectly with a star cluster in the sky

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    again great explination on how they navigated not how the prymids were built or how they were so precise
     
  13. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    And you know why? Because nobody thinks that the workforce were slaves any more.

    Yes they have. Reed boats sailed along the Nile, and then along a canal that delivered them right to the site they were being built on. Lots and lots of labourers moved them across the land using rollers. Have you noticed how Cairo is nice and green, and verdant? How the Great Pyramids are not far from said teeming metropolis, and the Nile? Had you been there, you'd notice the dichotomy (and photo opportunity) that from one angle, the Pyramids have desert in the background, from the other side, Cairo. it's a large city, a population of just under 18 million people. Why? Because it's verdant, fertile, and prosperous. These qualities afforded it a large available well fed workforce.


    NO, let's not call them slaves! Slaves do not perform such quality work. Only devotees of a god incarnate would show such dedication.

    The latter being the 'unfinished obelisk' which I linked to previously? The obelisk that I have seen, and touched? The Obelisk that clearly shows signs of being hewn with chisels from the surrounding rock? Why, or pray tell me, if there were some higher technology available to move these stones, was there none to aid their quarrying?

    Anyway, the unfinished obelisk was possibly intended as the partner to the 'Lateran Obelisk' which was originallt comissioned by Thutmose III, but he died before it was completed, and completed by his grandson. Are you understanding the timescales yet? These things took a long time to build!

    Ok, then, the 'Lateran Obelisk' was ordered to be removed from Karnak (where I have also been) by Emperor Constantine, but get this, he died before that could happen, and it was instead done by his son and successor Constantius II (getting the time scales here) in the middle of the fourth century. Moved from Egypt, to Rome, by Romans, and this was documented. Now, given that Romans only had manpower, wheels, and boats, do you see, how possible it was to move large objects great distances with some determination, and a large enough work force?

    Or, are you going to argue, that the Romans did not move the stone as they documented they did, but were part of some fucking UFO conspiracy, got the aliens to move it for them, then came up with a cover story?

    GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK AND READ SOME HISTORY.
     
  14. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    What also interesting is how Egypt farming community would utilise the Nile during it's low period for it's fertility, of course they would then have to harvest prior to the high period which would flood the plains again.

    This meant that all the harvested grain was placed into granaries, it also meant that during these flooded periods, farmers couldn't farm.

    It would make sense that the food (grain, bread and of course beer) was released to the populous during this time, and to keep them from idling they probably got them to give a hand building the pyramids or moving stone.
     
  15. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    That kind of proves "aliens" were quite capable of moving large stones. (Foreigners to Egyptian soil)
     
  16. sifreak21 Valued Senior Member

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    i can agree with most of that all but this section.. even today with ou technology it would be EXTREMELY hard to move that are your gonna sit there and tell me this thing was moved by people? bunch of bs ok so the float it down a river to near where it needed to be how do you move something that weighs well over 1million lbs ?
     
  17. sojourner Registered Member

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    How were these stones moved?
    From Wikipedia: Coral Castle is a stone structure created by the Latvian American eccentric Edward Leedskalnin north of the city of Homestead, Florida. The structure comprises numerous megalithic stones (mostly limestone formed from coral), each weighing several tons. It currently serves as a privately-operated tourist attraction.
     
  18. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    Bada bing! Thankyou very much. Are you here all week? ;-)
     
  19. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    YES IT WAS MOVED BY PEOPLE! As documented by the Romans who stole an obelisk FFS.

    Do you get that? The Romans rocked up, and with nothing more than ropes, manpower, and wheels, moved a fucking great big bit of stone all the way from Egypt to Italy. Got that? Documented, proven, no FUCKING DOUBT that this happened.

    Also, you just aren't thinking. If any higher intelligence were involved, how come they let the locals chip the stone out with copper chisels (proven fact, do not argue this, I have fucking been there myself), instead of zapping it out with a fucking laser?

    Eh? Can you answer me that?

    Now, because the stupid program you watched didn't consider that, or did, realised it didn't fit their stupid agenda, and let it go.
     
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  20. sojourner Registered Member

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    It is sometimes claimed that the Thunder Stone is the "largest stone ever moved by man." In 1768 this stone was moved 4 miles overland to the Gulf of Finland by manpower alone; no animals or machines were used. It was then transported by boat up the Neva, and subsequently to its current site. Due to the large size of the rock, the easiest way to measure its mass is to calculate it. Its dimensions before being cut, according to the fall 1882 edition of La Nature were 7 x 14 x 9 m. Based on the density of granite, its mass was determined to be around 1500 tonnes. From Wikipedia article
     
  21. brennus Registered Member

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    Either way you want to believe 'alien or human' technology, it is a shame that such technology and building skills have been lost because we sure could not duplicate such a feat today with such precision, if tasked.
     
  22. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Rubbish. Such a task could easily be undertaken, however rather than having people only concern themselves with food and a roof over their head, they are now worrying about whats on television, whats going on at Facebook, whether their warcraft character needs leveling up, if they are missing a good COD weekend etc. Peoples priorities are completely different and the only way to get them to concentrate on such a task is obviously how much they would be paid, so it would be a costly exercise.

    Obviously you could do a scaled down version, in fact they should.
     
  23. brennus Registered Member

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    Interesting you would say rubbish, I am not going to even ask why, it's irrelevant. Humanity has had over 4500 years to build on such grand skills but failed to do so except by the Romans with their cement structures and later the Masons guild in Europe but only on a lesser degree and with much smaller stones. Then in modern times, but that is with glass, steel and concrete instead of massive stone block. Yeah, you are right...rubbish.
     

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