Constitution of Sci Debating

Actually, that is the OPer's choice whether to give one side an advantage. If you think that it is an unfair debate, then don't post in the thread and let it die off on its own accord.

 

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Originally, I wanted to set down some agreed upon guidelines for the SW vs. ST thread. Hellblade8 wants to do a more encompassing guideline that can be applied in any scifi debate.

I think the first item should be reviewing the thread and clarifying the terms of that debate so life can move on in that thread. Meanwhile, we can definitely push forward with the Sci-Fi Debate Constitution while reaching out to those that are not necessarily interested in the SW vs. ST thread.

Perhaps, the review of the SW vs. ST thread should take place there. (There will still be ideas that jump between threads but at least that thread can stay on topic this way).

Thoughts?

 

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I think that we need to get more people involved. I haven't seen quite a few of the debaters from WS vs ST on here. And I do agree that we need to apply this to other vs threads.

To expand on Nexarc's comment: I do believe limitations should be equal. In example: if Star Wars can't use something, then something of equal (or realtivly equal) power. Ofcourse that sort of issue should be voted on.

 

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no no no. We are not playing card games or board games to use handicaps like that. The best thing to do is choose a time period of the productions of films or series'. For example, 1960's: in which "Star Trek" and "Lost in Space" started. Or, late 70's in which "Star Wars" and "Battlestar Galactica" started. Or, early '90's using "seaQuest DSV" and "Babylon 5" (the latter started the same year as the previous).
Because to use eras WITHIN sci-fi is like comparing cucumbers and berries. It doesn't make sense.

 

It will begin to involve more ST vs. SW stuff I suspect--or perhaps we'll start a link page where we can post the link and valuable quotes to add to the current information.

For the most part though, most of the current debators have taken it as UFP vs. Empire.

 

Depends on the berry.

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as for ST and SW...the debates should be done as to what is happening NOW in the [canon] respective series'. It should not matter that ST woud have a huge advantage. We can't pick and choose what we like. If you can't use what is currently happening in those universes then there is no point in debating 'it', whatever 'it' may be.

 

Define "now".

I'm not sure I understand, care to elaborate?

 

As in what's been established since the last (Episode) SW film. And what has happened/established at the end of the last episode of the latest ST series -Voyager (1995–2001)- and similarly for ST films -"Nemesis" December 13, 2002-

I guess my explanation above answers that too.

 

Ok, but does that mean we can't compare TNG to The Empire at it's peak? (not sure that was really ever shown in a SW movie)

I guess what i'm asking is, can we still compare something like The Empire Strikes Back and Voyager?

 

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Well, you know what I mean.

Clear as mud.

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Um, actually, ST XI would be the UFP's peak given that their technology has advanced considerably by that date.

The Empire was at its peak just before the loss of the Death Star. That's the only point in time where it was politically stable enough to launch a war against the Federation. The problem is, with such a strong external threat, it may rush forward the collapse of the Empire rather than strengthen it. Of course, it could go the other way.

Of course, you can compare any time to any other time in the series. I wouldn't suggest that for the active thread though and the default is probably what most people think of for the more recent parts of the powers discussed. Ie, Empire is in Luke's time and the UFP is probably pre or post Dominion War.

 

Ok. Thanks for the clarification.

 

I guess I used the wrong word. I was talking chronologically....

and I would think what happened with Voyager, that that would be the peak, considering what they did while being stranded in the Delta Quadrant.

 

Um...chronologically it is.

 

no no, chronologically WITHIN the ST universe.

 

Been two days since the last post, aren't there more issues?

 

Well, so Star Wars, it is going by the Fel Empire, the Sith Empire, the Galactic Alliance Remnants and the Vong remnants right?

 

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