Im not very familiar with Wing, so i wouldn't be able to compare, and I was saying that when Athrun is not in SEED mode, when did Athrun beat Shin without SEED I don't remember, but with SEED i do think Athrun was the best pilot in CE Universe
But then again there is the fact that Arios's spped would help Allelujah/Hallelujah quikly get in and beat Athrun, and the Arios isn't even his suit, he has a new one in the movie, but I can't remember its name.
Yeah, I forgot it too, its awesome, I wonder what suit Marie/Soma will get. Anyways, Athrun owned him at the last battle of Gundam SEED Destiny, only at the second half of the battle with Shinn did he activate SEED ( After Lunamaria stopped them both and Shinn ignored it).
