2 x 2 = ? Is it too complicated?

Discussion in 'World Events' started by drg, Jan 29, 2003.

  1. drg Registered Senior Member

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    2 x 2 = ? Is it too complicated?

    I understand that people cannot keep in mind too much information to analyze it. Therefore I simplified the issue. Two facts are enough to make a right decision:

    First input - G.W. Bush and CIA knew that on 9/11 terrorists will use planes for terracts.

    Second input - Not one jetfighter was alerted even one hour after the first WTC building was down. Somebody intentionally to keep all jetfighters on the ground.

    (First input) x (Second input) = X (?)

    X = G.W. Bush intentionally sacrificed WTC and 3,000 Americans.

    Let's guess the purpose:

    1. To have "reasons" in front of the World to seize Afghanistan because of oil, then Iraq, then who knows what.
    2. To do the famous trick of a typical white crime: they destroyed their own business to cover up the fraud they do. WTC is involved in the biggest financial operation - thus, if they do big schemes - there are many reasons to destroy WTC.

    You probably do not know one more fact - the most likely reason why WTC was put down is not the planes directly. In the basement of WTC and the 7th floor was a huge storage of fuel for generators to provide electricity in case of emergency. All the storages were fireproof. All the storages were blown up.

    First question:
    Is it possible that the planes did critical damage to the protected (fireproofed) storages through 40 floors of highly durable and fireproofed WTC?

    Second question:
    Why Motorola's communicated devices of firemen did not work on the exact day of 9/11? Is it because Motorola does not know how to do make these devices properly or because somebody had shut down the frequencies in case firemen were to discover some evidence of what really happened to the storages and say it before they were to die? (A version: people disguised as firemen brought bombs to blow up the fuel storages to make sure that WTC would be completely destroyed and nobody could find any evidence of what white crime was going on in WTC)

    Conclusion: G.W. Bush is the No 1 person who is guilty in destruction of WTC and the death of 3,000 Americans. G.W. Bush intentionally committed international crime - he seized Afghanistan using false claims.

    If G.W. Bush intentionally sacrificed WTC and 3,000 Americans to seize Iraq - is it possible that he won't attack Iraq? G.W. Bush accuses Iraq of non cooperating, but G.W. Bush is silly lying because if Saddam won't cooperate (and want to attack any country) - he wouldn't let the UN inspectors to search any place in Iraq they want.

    G.W. Bush still has no direct evidence of existence of weapons of mass destruction but he surely will attack Iraq. According to the rule of justice, there is no reason to go to war against Iraq. Instead there are many reasons to impeach G.W. Bush and put him in jail.

    The most important thing is to bring to justice the people who made G.W. Bush. Why? Because the American people did not elected G.W. Bush. Money elected G.W. Bush (electronic election fraud with participation of Bill Gates). And Money did it because they want more money and power. They must be stopped before WW III will happen.
     
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  3. drg Registered Senior Member

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    Need links? Let's start. For the beginning, please, read:

    This article in *The New York Times* http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/29/nyregion/29TOWE.html (reg required)
    indicates that a likely cause of that fire was the approximately 42,000 gallons of diesel fuel (6K gallons on the seventh floor, 36K in the basement) stored in the building to power backup generators for the City's emergency command center located there.

    US planned war in Afghanistan long before September 11
    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/nov2001/afgh-n20.shtml

    Visas that Should Have Been Denied
    A look at 9/11 terrorists' visa applications.
    http://www.nationalreview.com/mowbray/mowbray100902.asp

    Why War With Iraq?
    G.W. Bush, is using a phantom Iraqi nuclear threat to justify starting a war which will only end with the U.S. occupying not only Iraq, but Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Iran as well! This is the master plan. Iraq is only a staging ground. Written by Dr. Robert M. Bowman.
    http://www.tupbiosystems.com/articles/why_with_iraq.html

    Our War Against Iraq: Causes & Cure.
    Call it anything else but not the war against terrorism. Written by Dr. Robert M. Bowman.
    http://www.tupbiosystems.com/articles/war_iraq.html

    The dictator creates friendly dictators.
    The U.S. has troops stationed in 150 countries around the world ... to protect foreign dictators from THEIR people. Why? Because the president has wealthy friends (above him) with lack of ... money and the most important - power. Written by Dr. Robert M. Bowman.
    http://www.tupbiosystems.com/articles/to_bush.html
     
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  5. Reid Registered Senior Member

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    That was a good article, recommend you all to read it.

    If it's all true, is this something most americans know about?
     
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  7. Jolly Rodger Banned Banned

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    doubt it, i heard a stat. once that 25% of Americans believe that japan were thier allies in ww2.......
     
  8. Mystech Adult Supervision Required Registered Senior Member

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    I don't buy the bit about the fule tanks in the WTC being a target for attack. First of all why would Bush want these destroyed? There is no way in hell (this is assuming the rest of your theory is correct, even though I find it to be a load of steaming crap) that a few drums of oil (or whatever it was, you haven't really specified) could have cut in to the proffits of drilling Iraqi oil, or the like, the idea is insane.

    And yes, these containers could definately have been destroyed when the towers fell, without anyone sneaking in and blowing them up covertly in the confusion after the plains hit. Did you SEE how the towers colapsed? It clearly wasn't something at the base of either tower which made it come down, take a look at what happens, the top floors colapse and make everything fall apart, Top to bottom, not bottom to top. the resulting destruction completely tore apart everything inside the building, not one peice of office equipment was found at ground zero, there wasn't a pecie of anything big enough to be recognizeable as what it origionaly was. Besides, blowing up huge stores of oil would have made an explosion that made the base of the towers, which was many times greater than the explosions when the planes themselves hit the towers.

    Also I find your accusations about motorola to be pretty far fetched, are you trying ot claim that a japanese company had something to gain from september 11th, and so they engaged in a clever conspirasy to disrupt communication between rescue workers?
     
  9. Dwayne D.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    I think that you guys are misreading DRG, she is pretty tough! fellas, i heard a sound byte about the blowing up something or rather in the towers, something about to make it come down, the way it did, or somthing like that rather than have it fall? yeah that rights fellas, something about setting so it would come down and not be a hazard ? what she had to say leads to preety tough questions, and questions as to what really happened.
    architecture design of that buildging has some pretty intresting features.
    but whos to say we will have to hear more from DRG

    DWAYNE D.L.RABON
     
  10. jps Valued Senior Member

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    One of lower manhattan's larger wireless communication towers were on the top of the WTC, this may be why the firemans communicators weren't working
     
  11. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

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    Originally posted by drg
    First input - G.W. Bush and CIA knew that on 9/11 terrorists will use planes for terracts.
    An agent made a suggestion that planes could be used... they did not think it a credible threat, and didn't know the date

    Second input - Not one jetfighter was alerted even one hour after the first WTC building was down. Somebody intentionally to keep all jetfighters on the ground.

    It was not immediatly obvious to the air force that it wasn't an accident... or a one time event... this is classic miscommunication within branches of our governement

    Let's guess the purpose:

    I agree that after the fact the White House is using the terrorist hijackings to for own purposes... This doesn't mean they knew about it before hand

    You probably do not know one more fact - the most likely reason why WTC was put down is not the planes directly.... All the
    (fuel) storages were fireproof. All the storages were blown up.
    This was not a cause of the collapse... as stated before the collapse started from the top of the buildings. And I'd hope the storages were fireproof, but they were not 'building collapse' proof.

    Is it possible that the planes did critical damage to the protected (fireproofed) storages through 40 floors of highly durable and fireproofed WTC?

    They didn't need to... 40 floors of a building fell ontop.

    Why Motorola's communicated devices of firemen did not work on the exact day of 9/11?

    As previously explained a major tower was on top of the building. Also all communication networks got jammed. Anyone using the internet/cell phones that day on the east coast would have noticed it.

    evidence of what white crime was going on in WTC)

    Ok... that's just insulting. White people are not the only people who commit the types of crimes you talk of.

    G.W. Bush is the No 1 person who is guilty in destruction of WTC and the death of 3,000 Americans.

    The people that planned the hijackings aren't responsible? It seems they were major players in this.

    G.W. Bush intentionally committed international crime - he seized Afghanistan using false claims.

    And Afghanistan is forming a new governement now. It'll be sympathtic to the US but not the US.

    ...
    Sadam wouldn't let the UN inspectors to search any place in Iraq they want.
    The claim is that the weapons are mobile, so it wouldn't matter. I however doubt the U.S.'s claims.

    Money elected G.W. Bush
    I's the US... money elects all presidents

    (electronic election fraud with participation of Bill Gates)
    and Mr. Bill would have what to gain from this?

    As for your T UP Article... those articles are right next to ones about Nostradumus predictions and secrets to aging. Very convincing

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    Dave has posted more convincing articles that the war is bogus on this site... but your claims that the 9/11 was planned don't seem to have much meat.

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    Hey Dwayne! Could you please do me a favor and cite more vague recollections?
     
  12. *stRgrL* Kicks ass Valued Senior Member

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    No, they knew OF possible attacks and OF possibly using planes in the attacks but they didnt know exactly when or how. Our government employees are not psychics ya know.

    If I remember correctly the government issued a NO-FLY ZONE for the rest of that day. Noone was allowed to fly. And what good would a jetfighter do? The planes and targets were already distroyed.

    Bush may be an idiot, but please dont encapsulate him as a murderer. I find it highly unlikely that a "group" of scheming politicians thought this plan up. This event caused utter chaos in the biggest city of America. Why dont you just accept that some extreme terrorists did it? Is it really that hard to fathom?

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  13. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

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    Originally posted by *stRgrL*
    Our government employees are not psychics ya know.

    I disagree... and to prove it... close your eyes and think of something.
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    Is it "sex"?

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  14. Dwayne D.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    I here you on that JPS, that is a direct link for relay signals, it would saft to say that if it was not a direct relay tower for motorola, there would have been static due to the buildings in the area of new york,signal disruption normally to service, so then it is most likly that such was the relay tower for motorola, or service.
    where the difficulty arises is that on short distance frequency as used by most departments no rely tower is needed, it is a matter of switching band widths, most current or modern hand helds operate both at the same time giving relay to the center station and to near by co-worker, if the relay tower was lost the ham or short wave frequency would still be in operation.
    here each group of fire fighters, and police offices would be on a different bandwidth, so then if such a even did happen and a report when out no other group of firefighters or those that where police would hear the signal as they are on another channel. here it might take as long as five minutes to ten minutes to hit all the channels and give a warning from one radio.
    stil yet being on the seventh floor short wave fequency might be blocked to transmitting to lower floors or ground level, this would encase a group of fire fighters on the seventh floor without a way to give a signal to other fire fighters and police. where even at a window those below if they listened may only get partial words and static, the handhelds might be good for four floors down,and better traveling upward in some cases much better it depends?
    what this means is that fire fighters arriving and entering the building say about 15 from one station go in to the build all on one channel, 5 of them stay on the first floor and 10 go up 5 on the third floor, and the remain 5 go up to the 7th floor an discover lots of gas, they radio and the guys on the third floor get a lot of static, the guys on the first floor don't hear anything but the click on the speaker, the truck hears nothing but one of the drives helping some one 200 ft in back of the truck hears it or parts of it, know all the guys on the 7th floor hear it, and might think the rest heard it, but they did not they got static.
    Another point of interest is the time that the relay tower fell, given the recording that i seen i would say that this is consistant with the time it would take fire fighters to gain the seventh floor.
    and ascertain that it was gas or a flammble strored in quanity.
    the fact that gas is stored in the lower regions of the structure is consistance what was needed to cause the collaspe of the building. the planes would not have been enough to do the job given the hieght they chrashed into the building. but it is poosible that it could happen by the breaking of cables and rivits, but not by the sure heat or flame ah well that takes a liitle bit of math, but the fact of a flamable at a lower floor makes it more correct.
    you also have to remember that both buildings fell not just one.

    DWAYNE D.L.RABON
     
  15. Fukushi -meta consciousness- Registered Senior Member

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    Dwayne,...if you post,

    could you please tiden up your post, I mean make it a bit easy to read, seperate a bit and make Alinea's 'ect ? thx.



    As for the rest: Everybdy knows the crimes of the USA and of their presidents,

    Everything you heard is truth. I rest my case here, because some of you guys and galls just don't want to be confronted with the horror that it means.

    Go on: live your lie, but don't come whining because your world is coming down.
     
  16. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

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    You do realize that he stated:
    This is just silly. There would be no reason to do this. As for this disaster being planned by our government, they could (and would) have picked targets that were not so expensive (because it was for money after all).

    It's a big stretch from the goverment using this to their advantage to planning it.
     
  17. Fukushi -meta consciousness- Registered Senior Member

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    I'm getting really fed up with this:

    USE YOUR OWN RESOURCES IF YOU DOUBT THAT FACT. I'm done here.

    I stated many times before, I tought there where people here who wanted to know the truth, but it turns out most off you people can't grasp it.

    Look for answers yourself, I jsut tought it would be nice to talk about it, not discuss it or every time to 'post' proof. pffff,....

    TOO MANY TIMES
     
  18. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

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    You can not just make general assertions and guess to jump from 1 to 2. Especially assertions of this scale. Especially when the addertion is not logical.
     
  19. Fukushi -meta consciousness- Registered Senior Member

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    General assumptions? WHERE'S PROOF for the involment of Osama Bin Laden? there's none!

    Where's proof of the links between Saddam and Al-qaida? there's none! In the contrairy of proof for the allegations against Bush and his 'dogs' for fraud.

    I don't have to prove anything to you,...I'm ont here to point anything out to you!

    The proof is there for the people who want to see!

    You're not going to keep me buzzy with that!

    Ta-ta
    F
     
  20. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

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    Lmao. You bitch that the US has no evidence (which I agree with) and then say the US knocked down the WTC with the same amount of evidence, in the same way they claim Al-quaida did it.... don't you see a slight problem here.
    I'd be more then willing to accept that Osama or Bush planned the WTC bombing, the Sadam is relatated to Al-qaida, or that Sadam has WMD. I'd love to know the truth. Unfortunately neither side has shown any proof that they are telling the truth, and not just guessing.
     
  21. Fukushi -meta consciousness- Registered Senior Member

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    Okay: but you got to admid that you too, see where it's going with this POWER and what he does with it, and what the NWO'ers plans are.

    Man! Look then! And open your eyes! really, all you have to do is to take a look at history,..

    JUST take a look at what origin Rumsfeld is,...or take a look at wich programs they worked at and with what doctors that they (the cia) operated with.

    They are NAZI's man,...wake up!
     

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