Netanyahu: No deal until Palestinians accept Israel as Jewish

Discussion in 'Politics' started by S.A.M., Mar 8, 2010.

  1. otheadp Banned Banned

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    No deal with you then?

    Man, I love these useless rhetorical statements.
     
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    "Forceful negotiating strategy"!?

    Drowning in a sea of euphemisms, the lonely swimmer abandons hope of solid ground and searches for something that will float - Yossarian's raft appears on the horizon: This is batshit, dude. Get out while you can.
     
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  5. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Indeed, the longer the Pals wait, the less they will have to gain, and the more entrenched the settlers will be. Left to their own devices, Israel will define it's own boundaries.
     
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  7. Pinwheel Banned Banned

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    Settlers seem pretty well entrenched...

    Seems like the only solution is for all Palestinians to accept defeat and just die off quickly.
     
  8. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    They don't have to die, they can live where they are. Or they can move to the rest of the Arab world which has cynically used them as pawns in a political game.
     
  9. Pinwheel Banned Banned

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    Wont it be simply easier to just forget the past.
     
  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    There are as many Palestinians as there are Jews in the world. So that scheme may take some re-thinking. Israelis are under the impression that taking all Palestine will give them a Jewish state. Actually, once they take all Palestine, they have no option but to take all Palestinians as well.
     
  11. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    Or kill them. Or drive them into exile.
     
  12. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Since that is the situation anyway, the Pals have nothing to gain already. They should prepare for the next round of Israeli assault as best they can - and of course, in such desperate circumstances, by any means necessary: no moral or ethical criticism of means any longer applies to people facing this kind of threat.
     
  13. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    They can gain land, peace, removal of settlements, removal of roadblocks and walls, normalization of trade... All they have to do is give up terrorism and recognize Israel as a Jewish state.
     
  14. noodler Banned Banned

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    But which parts of Israel are they allowed to visit?

    Which parts of Israel are off-limits to visitors, and why are Israelis living in these places? Who do I see about the Gaza day tours? What does Hebron look like this time of year? Have you been to either place, both parts of Israel, where Israelis live? Have you met any of the Israelis living in these places or near them?
    Do settlements have tourist agencies, or do you need an escort of some kind?

    Ed: sorry, couple of "glaring" historical errors there. Isrealis used to live in Gaza, and if I want to see how modern-day settlers are coping with things, I need to go to the West Bank, which is occupied by Israel, so is Jewish by default.
     
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  15. Pinwheel Banned Banned

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    Or somehow gradually reduce thier numbers, over time.
     
  16. otheadp Banned Banned

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    The subject of the thread is "Israel as a Jewish state". I was referring to those areas. As a visitor you can visit any part of Israel "proper", and the Jewish towns in Judea and Samaria without a problem. There are border guard checkpoints at the Green Line, but they only check suspicious vehicles. Most cars just drive through without even stopping. When I visited Israel in June 2009 I saw Arabs in almost every place I visited, and I went all over the country. I remember for instance swimming in the Sea of Gallilea and having 3 Arab speakers swim right next to me. I had no idea whether they were "palestinian", Lebanese, or Israeli Druze/Arab. Other swimmers weren't even paying attention to them.

    But if you're going to areas administered by the Palestinian National Authority then it's a whole other jurisdiction. Jews don't even live there, other than a few hundred (this was in the 90s. I don't know if they still live there today though. They sometimes are allowed by the army to visit the Jewish holy places there, e.g. in Hebron, under the army's escort, but otherwise any Israeli that mistakenly winds up in a "palestinian" town like Ramala, Jericho or whatever, get detained by the PA security forces, transferred to the IDF, and kicked out. Israelis aren't even allowed to VISIT there, let alone live there. Talk about apartheid... Those that do do so against the IDF directives and at their own risk. Sometimes they even get murdered.

    There is a distinction between Israeli Arabs and "palestinian" Arabs. The former can go wherever they choose in Israel, to anywhere that Israeli ID holders (Jewish or otherwise) can go. Sometimes since they are Arab they can even go to places that Jews aren't allowed to.

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    Actually, as a foreign visitor you can visit the PA-areas as well. I'm not sure about Gaza though. I think you can. But Israelis are forbidden from entering "palestinian" towns be they in Judea/Samaria or Gaza.
     
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  17. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    what do you think yur thread opener is;

    Netanyahu: No deal until Palestinians accept Israel as Jewish

    The politics behind my posts are that the US underwrote a free democratic state, not a jewish state.

    "we the people' are not supposed to fund a religious state, by law!

    That fact, is what you did not comprehend let alone moses said

    Deuteronomy 31

    1And Moses goeth and speaketh these words unto all Israel, [

    2and he saith unto them, `A son of a hundred and twenty years [am] I to-day; I am not able any more to go out and to come in, and Jehovah hath said unto me, Thou dost not pass over this Jordan

    Then read Isaiah 9

    Bottom line; is it thsi very conflict that is what causes the last war.

    Claiming that which is real, is only done by ONE; not the religious nuts


    Put is this way, all three of the ladies bound to that mount fall. (three religions of abraham).
     
  18. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    It's a secular state for the Jewish people, that's why the Rabbis aren't in charge.
     
  19. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    tell me one other country on earth where the only way to get from one part of the country to the other is to cross another country. before anyone says alaska, you can go by sea compleatly around canada. tell me one country where another country collects and controls your taxes, your resorces, your trade, your hospitals ect
     
  20. sweet Pentax Registered Senior Member

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    russia <-> kaliningrad

    you asked for it ...
     
  21. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    The Vatican
     
  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    No, there are too many ethical Jews with a sense of community for that to happen.

    Haven't you noticed? The tide has already turned.
     
  23. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    Interesting premise, especially considering the source.

    But something doesn't add up: if there are sufficient ethical Jews with senses of community to prevent wholesale expulsion/genocide of the Palestinians, how is it that there are not enough to halt the various other impositions on the Palestinians, get a workable peace deal together, etc.?

    And then we can consider that even very ethical, community-oriented populations can be motivated to do barbaric things - particularly if they feel their community faces existential threat.
     

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