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Discussion in 'Art & Culture' started by kmguru, Dec 24, 2009.

  1. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    Irrelevant. Nobody's talking about Ferngully. He was commenting on Avatar's kinship to Abyss in particular. And not just some random similarity like having female action stars in Aleins and Terminator. Both Avatar and Abyss are 2 very different storylines with pretty much the same message. Human interacts with alien lifeforms who are victims of society's environmental negligence.
     
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  3. PsychoticEpisode It is very dry in here today Valued Senior Member

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    Pocahontas with nicer graphics. Loved the 3D visual. Loved the bio-luminescent lifeforms. Liked the idea of all life on the planet connected or connectible. Hated the storyline. Ribisi terrible ...... where was Irwin Wade?
     
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  5. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, I was. FernGully with the wolves, dancing. Same shit.
     
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  7. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Avatar is ferngully, they are one in the same.

    They had completely different messages, one was anti-nuclear war and the other was tree-loving gaia is great acid trip.

    Abyss had nothing to do with environmental negligence, unless you consider chucking a nuclear bomb down a trench to blow up aliens as chucking garbage! The aliens in abyss caused the problems if they had not sunk that boomer nothing would have happened.
     
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  10. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

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    Well, I finally got around to seeing it.
    Visually, it is impressive. Beyond that, I was terribly underwhelmed.
     
  11. Joaquin Sleuth Registered Senior Member

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    The worst movie i have ever seeeeeen!!!!!!!
     
  12. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    You haven't seen many movies, have you?
     
  13. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    I don't blame Joaquin. I mean use Star Wars as a reference. Avatar was interesting, great visuals, etc. While the cinematics are far far superior in Avatar, the substance of the movie is dirt compared to Star Wars.
     
  14. kmguru Staff Member

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    Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. The movie is original and imaginative - not the recycled comic crap.
     
  15. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

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    Agreed.

    Wholeheartedly disagree.

    Not comic, no.
    Recycled? Yes.
     
  16. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    The only thing original about Avatar was the being able to USB into nature. Other than that, the story was from Pocahontas. Among others. Then there was the book 'Call ME Joe' which is about a crippled soldier who uses an avatar to explore Jupiter. Avatar is far less original and imaginative than much of the really good scifi that is out there.
     
  17. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    The 3-D effect

    Saw the movie on New Year's Eve, in 3-D. I'll say this much at the outset: I've never liked 3-D because I've never been impressed. Avatar, for its 3-D effect, impressed the hell out of me. I have a hard time imagining what the movie would look like without it.

    As to the plot, it's The Emerald Forest on acid. The Mission. Or At Play in the Fields of the Lord. Something like that. Sure, it's not incredibly deep, but that's a characteristic of adventure epics. I'm just glad Cameron didn't throw too many pointless character tropes at us.
     
  18. superstring01 Moderator

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    Aye, but he did throw a number of other much over-used tropes at us.

    Not taking away from the fact that I loved the movie, have a massive gay crush on Sam Worthington (have, in fact, had such a crush since Terminator).

    But I was a bit annoyed by Marine General's over-cliché-ness, the noble-savage-ness, and the humans-are-evil-ness of the movie.

    All things considered, I wanted to be there. Few movies make me feel like that.

    ~String
     
  19. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Ever seen the Star Wars Christmas special?

    imaginative you bet, but original is debatable, certainly each core theme and setting has been done before, we have already gone through how it is basically dances with wolfs or ferngully in space, but it is original in that it is ferngully, but in space: no one has done combined those two before.
     
  20. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    haha.....

    there are some connections.... not sure now what, but they're there, they're there.
     
  21. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    How deeply runneth evil?

    But how deeply do you let that assertion of human evil run? I saw the myopic evil of greed. And the fact that there were human counterpoints to the evil reminds that there is, in fact, the potential for goodness in people, as well.
     
  22. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    I think he was refering to the one-dimensionality of the characters.
     
  23. Delphi Registered Senior Member

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    I like how someone else put it:
     

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