Two wrongs don't make a right?

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by Syzygys, Dec 29, 2009.

  1. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    This is one of the stupidest arguments (it is actually not an argument per say) what debaters can bring up and here, I will just give you one counterexample to put it to rest:

    1. Joe stills money from the bank. Wrong.
    2. His mother realizes what happened, but doesn't want to get his son into trouble, so she steals that money. Wrong.
    3. She gives that money back to the bank, anonymously. Right.

    There you have it, 2 wrongs making 1 right..

    Maybe I am going to make a series of stupid debate arguments...

    P.S.: Also, if you ever got lost in a city, you should know that 3 wrongs do make a right...Try it and make 3 left turns....
     
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  3. Escaped Goat Registered User and Abuser Registered Senior Member

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    Imo, it wasn't wrong of his mother to steal the money back from her son if her prior intention was to return it to the bank.
     
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  5. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    i think the son should have gotten in trouble for stealing.
     
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  7. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    A steal is a steal is a steal. Or are you saying it is OK to steal from the mob???
     
  8. Escaped Goat Registered User and Abuser Registered Senior Member

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    I don't agree.


    If you know the mob stole x-amount of dollars from Person A, and you steal x-amount of dollars from the same group of people in order to return it to Person A, then yes. I think it is okay.

    Is it wrong to "steal" your bike back from the person who stole it from you?

    I don't think so.
     
  9. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    There is a difference between stealing your own stuff back and stealing stolen stuff. By definition, stealing from the mob is still stealing...
     
  10. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

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    Really? [Not that I disagree. Just playing Devil's advocate..]

    I mean, all of this is contingent upon a notion of property.
    Given that what was 'stolen' from the mob really wasn't theirs, you haven't really robbed them....
     
  11. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    By the way I am not really against stealing from a thief, just yanking EG's chain. But again, the definition of stealing doesn't deal with how the owner got to own the property. Morally you might be right, but legally not.

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    And by the way this is kind of offtopic....
     
  12. Killjoy Propelling The Farce!! Valued Senior Member

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    It's pretty much self explanatory.

    Your example is invalid, as nothing has in fact been made right by the 2 wrongs.

    You're on your way with this 'un, brother sir...
     
  13. Doreen Valued Senior Member

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    The bank and the law would say that the money was never his. There are no squatter's rights for stolen money. So the mother found bank property and returned it to where the bank usually stored it.

    This makes me wonder what you are up to.
    And this makes me think you are a New Yorker or live in some other city with a nice grid. In Boston 3 lefts could end you up on a runway at the airport 10 miles from where you started.
     
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  15. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Bank got money back, thief got robbed, justice served. Was it really hard to get it?
     
  16. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    One is a legal the other is a moral reference.

    By the way people don't get hung up on the analogy, just accept the conclusion.

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  17. ogdred Registered Senior Member

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    Here are your two "wrongs":
    The sum of these two actions is some form of justice, eh? Nope, it just looks like a couple of people who've stolen some money.

    This one, you will notice, is numbered 3--signifying, of course, that it is a third action (Syzygys got that part right):
    So, Syzygys, you've successfully demonstrated that two "wrong" actions can be followed by a "right" action.
     
  18. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    You are indeed, correct. Now I have to go and find another example...

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  19. Killjoy Propelling The Farce!! Valued Senior Member

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    In fact all that was perpetrated was more wrongs:

    The thief did not answer for his crime, and the mother - good intentions notwithstanding - in actuality only compounded the "original sin" by shielding sonny boy from the consequences of his actions.

    There's nothing to "get".
     
  20. Doreen Valued Senior Member

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    You can only be robbed of your own property or money or something you have been allowed to have by the owner. Legally or morally.
     
  21. ScaryMonster I’m the whispered word. Valued Senior Member

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    I’m remained of the example of Chopper Reed who only robbed drug dealers or I should say extorted money from criminals with the threats of violence.
    Like what were they going to do? Call the cops and say, “Chopper took my proceeds of crime!”
    The fact that they fell victim to a bigger shark and totally failed to stop him just makes them seem pathetic.
    It's good to make them look pathetic.

    It all depends if you care or not, like I wouldn’t give a crap if a criminal got robbed, that’s the karma they’re attracted to them so they can choke on it.

    But stealing that actually hurts someone who doesn’t deserve it on a personal level I think is wrong.

    And then there’s motivation, is someone who steals to feed his or her starving baby a bad person? As opposed to someone who shoplifts because they’re a kleptomaniac, or someone who’s just a greedy opportunist.

    I don't steal because I always put myself in the shoes of the other person; I ask myself what if this happened to me?
     
  22. codanblad a love of bridges Registered Senior Member

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    i don't know why 2 and 3 get separate points. 2 wrongs didn't make a right, her decision to return the money was right.
     
  23. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    1. Apparently not.
    2. Once you took something, it is kind of yours, unless discovered.

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