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Discussion in 'Art & Culture' started by kmguru, Dec 24, 2009.

  1. kmguru Staff Member

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    Any one seen it? I plan to go see at a IMax weekend.

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  3. Delphi Registered Senior Member

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    It is technologically stunning. I recommend everyone see it just to experience the 3D. Seriously.

    Much of the negativity about this film has been about its derivative story and not-so-great dialogue. What people are not realizing right away is that not only is this not Aliens or Terminator, it's completely the opposite: it's James Cameron's first FAMILY FILM.

    Also, the world he has created is amazing. No detail has been skipped. You feel like you really are there to experience this world. The way the people there connect and interact with the creatures and plants (don't want to spoil it) is also very unique and cool.

    It would be an understatement to say that you are missing out if you do not see it (at least for its technological aspect). This transition is like a transition from black and white movies to full color, full surround sound movies. It's that big. And thing is, you won't be able to see this on your TV (at least not for now, they've only now started to release 3D TVs), for now you can only experience it in a theater and I suggest everyone who has the chance do so.

    Good to hear, it really is intended for the IMAX format. Anyone seeing it in a regular theater (3D), I suggest you sit really close to the screen, just where you can't (or barely can) see outside of it.

    Trust me on this, I wish I had done the same. It makes it that much more immersive.
     
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  5. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    I wanted to see it at IMAX in 3D but all the good seats were booked out

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    I saw it on Vmax in 3D instead and I liked it a lot. Especially the world of Pandora.
     
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  7. Delphi Registered Senior Member

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    I really feel like a new word needs to be coined to describe what Cameron has achieved here. This is not a movie.

    You are there the whole time. You experience it, you never just watch. As one reviewer said, "you can practically smell the grass." You can make out every bead of sweat and other facial features you'd otherwise never see in the 2D version on the face of a Na'vi, all in perfect depth perception. When Jake is coming out of the years-long sleep you are there floating with him and all the others waking up.

    I suppose "experience" or "immersive cinematic experience" would work. And as such, I also feel on some levels it can't be judged or reviewed as a normal movie would be (again, because it is not really just a movie).

    What Cameron has done with this is not a gimmick. A traditional film's cinematography would be judged on how well the director shows you the situation. But with this, it's how you are there. This would require a different standard of judging; most of the negative reviews seem to be from critics who are missing this vital point and are seeing this as merely a normal film with the 3D being some flashy, gimmicky effect designed just to make it look prettier.
     
  8. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    The games not to shabby, its not great either but its worth $20.
     
  9. kmguru Staff Member

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    I just watched it. Loved every minute of it.

    Before going in, with all the media hype, I thought it is about Iraq War and anti-war movie. Found out that it is based on American Indian theme, music, connection to animals etc. Only thing missing was the spirit vision that was probably cut from the script.

    Would have been very interesting if the creatures of Abyss would have showed up....
     
  10. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Dances with Wolves came to mind while I was watching it. But, more than the story (which was alright), for me, was the way the world was created down to the smallest detail.
     
  11. Delphi Registered Senior Member

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    Supposedly he cut about 20-30 minutes to fit the IMAX maximum running time limit. If that's the case, I can't wait for the extended version. More of Pandora is a great thing--not to mention some more background about Jake, etc.

    The extended cut for Abyss made it much better, the Aliens one was also great.
     
  12. kmguru Staff Member

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    I like his attention to detail to the point when you watch second or third times, you find all sorts of activities going on in the background. Oh, I forgot to mention the Celtic music and the Tree of Life part. Also music reminded me a little of Medwyn Goodall...

    He borrowed the Avatar part from Indian Krishna (the blue God-Avatar)...I think a lot will come from the sequel when Earth comes with heavy guns...
     
  13. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    A realistic sequel would be a 5 minute movie of us nuking the planet from orbit.
     
  14. baftan ******* Valued Senior Member

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    Don't think so. If this was the case, America could have nuked the main sources of power all around the world, right after the first bomb exploded over Hiroshima. Plus, the main reason they went to this planet was this substance, the expensive resource; any kind of nuking activity may harm this material, they must have calculated this.

    Moreover, once stupid apes find a new way of looking at the situation, they might start to suspect from some deeper benefits from this element. I personally didn't understand this: Humans have the capability of travelling between stars, they can design half human-half nav'i avatars using DNA technology, yet they are excavating minerals according to 19th century mining principles. They should have mastered quantum physics, fusion, bio-engineering, yet they want this element so badly: It's like living in our modern era and recruiting sophisticated armies with high level technology in order to obtain some coal...
     
  15. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    To mine unobtanium? see right there is were the story loses loads of credibility! How about a biogenic weapon, god knows what disease we brought with, in fact the game references such an event.

    Exactly, hey he had to have some reason for us to be fucking with them. A better writer could have made a more realistic scenario. How does this sound: humans come to Pandora on a one way trip due to the nature of interstellar travel, and it's either the humans live there or the natives, and the story could have been about making peace between the two.
     
  16. baftan ******* Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, making it more realistic, this trip can be caused by an accident; for example two spaceship making an experiment at the edge of solar system, then a warm hole opens accidentally, so they are bound to settle on this planet.

    I mean, they didn't care about the believability of the story, they wanted to give a clear message (love nature, don't destroy it) to teenagers through 3D technology.
     
  17. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    yea, the story is a bit simple, and I laughed when I heard the mineral was called unobtainium. Unobtainium is the "perfect" material (ring world was made of the stuff if I remember correctly?).

    It's probably difficult to sell a movie with a deep story line .... in a society as shallow as ours.
     
  18. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    That probably the core of the issue.

    I was thinking realistic as in a interstellar colony ship with a cryogenically frozen crew, powered by nuclear fusion would take at least 50 years to get to alpha centauri and most certainly would have enough fuel only for one way trip. Or how about this, a probe ship come to alpha centauri and sets up station, and people are teleported there via scanning the original person's DNA and brain and transmitting them there and growing the clones, they can't go back because most of there originals are alive and well back on earth.
     
  19. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    It is a movie.

    And the previews and stills (like the one in this thread) look dumb, if you ask me.
     
  20. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Nope, Ringworld was made from scrith. Unobtainium is a typical engineering material, and would be used in more applications, but the suppliers never have any in stock this week.

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  21. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    Sometimes you can get 'Rarium', and of course, you an always get 'Drillium';

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  22. kmguru Staff Member

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    That is because, our technology direction is controlled by politicians and not engineers. 15 years ago I designed a coal fired power plant whose flue gas was cleaner than the surrounding area. It can be done, but bean counters prevent such technology from commercialization. We can design Fusion reactors with todays technology, but the decision makers will not fund for it.
     
  23. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Amen.
     

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