what was before the Big Bang?

Maybe my knowledge lacks in this subject, but why does the BB theory state that there is no time before the BB? I mean, there SHOULD have been something to trigger it...

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No. They are strong, weak, electromagnetic, and gravity.

It is the weakest, but it's probably the one we know the least about.

- Warren

 

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Think this through a bit more - what triggered the trigger? This becomes an infinite regress of cause and effect, and brings us no nearer to an answer.

The beginning of the Universe is a difficult thing to get your head around because the Universe is not "inside" anything else. Everything is inside the universe, including time and space.

Try to picture the Universe from "outside". Whenever I try it I end up thinking of a ball of space (because I can't imagine time) "floating" in a misty grey background. However, this is simply the wrong picture. There is nothing outside the Universe - no time or space (and certainly no grey mist). Our minds simply are not equpped to visualise space and time from "outside" of it. This makes the concept incredibly difficult to comprehend with our minds that are restricted to seeing things within time and space.

I try to "see" it this way. Time and space have always existed, however, from our perspective, "always" is approx. 15 billion years. There was no "before" time as "before" is a temporal statement. Space without time never existed (it had no time to exist). Time without space never existed (it had nowhere to exist). Therefore time and space must always have existed.

That probably doesn't help you any, but it's how I see things (ie. this is not a scientific theory so feel free to ignore it).

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Paul

 

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I still think God sneezed. Or popped a baloon.

 

Before the big bang according to the latest theories in membrane- theory says that two membranes ( in a void) , through fluctuations, collided. The energy released provided the kick start for the creation of a quantum bubble (that expanded and formed our space time continuum).

Time, i believe, is a product of the symmetry breaking that formed the dimensions ( space-time).

 

thank you

From what I can understand, this is interesting. Keep the information coming!

 

Hum,
How about this...
Gravity is a very weak force.....why?
The range of gravity extends to infinity. while all the 3 forces are short range.

Is it because the boson gauge theory that describes the interaction of a higgs particle also describes a the interaction of our space/time membrane with ANOTHER space-time membrane?

Perhaps gravity is interaction by a higgs particle with a different (parallel) universe.


(E8 x E8 springs to mind).

 

Electromagnestism extends to infinity too. Light is as quick as gravity too.

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Er, doh!

 

Er, doh!

How about the electro-weak force being 10^40 ( ?)times more powerfull?

a photon perhaps is a force carrier that has infinite range but has it mass?
As i understand it the Higgs particle creates scalar fields. And it is responsible for spontaneous symmetry breaking, and it`s reaction with other particles give them MASS.

At the Planck time of 10^-43 (?) all the forces were unified .

Particles could have been created directly from the gravitational field, one such could have been the higgs.

As super-symmetry (creating two universes? e8 x e8)was broken bubbles formed. These bubbles were ,i imagine, a `true vacuum`(with a zero Higgs field),
Higg particles decay and fill this up with energy and cause the bubbles to expand.

Inflation with the higgs particle( or gravity) mediating/filtering between the two symmetries/continuum's.

 

Big Bang or Big Shit?

The big bang theory gets ever more, and more complexes. Perhaps because it is in human nature that if we can not understand something that requires a little believing (anti-science). Then we must weight all possible variables and permutations and try to describe how the universe was created if we were the “one to do it”.

We think of Columbus days as, those days human’s knowledge capacity was reduced, of cause as in references to what we know now. In this assumption, it is very possible that the human race in 500 years will look back at our time as prehistoric.

Now, if by our current knowledge we define the Atom (protons neutrons), to be the smallest participle and the basis for everything. One would have to think, from where did the first Atom came from?. Also to alter the properties of a single Atom you need the energy generated by other Atomic forms. So, how can one “first” atom become anything? Ok, let say, there where many Atom at the beginning of it all, well, the “God” placed all those “first” Atoms and what happened next??. .. The Big Bang?

Probably was just a little Bang that concatenated many other little bangs until masses evolved in the form that it’s comprehensible by us or that we want to make comprehensive to our capacity of understanding.

Why “The God” complicated everything by going so systematic in creating what we visualize as the “Everything”? Do we think that by discovering the “Periodic Table” we think to have discovered God’s blueprint.

What about if there something else smaller than an Atom that we don’t even have the knowledge or capacity to discover??

Why would a “God” build something that the human race is physically impossible to reach or see. A galaxy located at 300 million light-years away, we would have to be God’s to reach there as on a weekend trip.

We are analyzing galactic events that have taken place billions of light-years ago, and we base our calculation on those events in trying to guess what really happen then to portrait learning’s on our current time. The earth’s estimate is placed at approx. 4.6 Billion years, even though the oldest known rock isotopic age is 3.9 billion years. At light-speed, of 300 million kilometers per second, the earth age is only about 13 years old. The Earth has not developed in linear form and many (some unknown) variably affected its development, so how can we really learn from analyzing galaxies that died billions of years before the earth was even made??? Especially when we know (concerning our earth) that there are 700 million years for which no geologic record exists, perhaps wrong scientific calculation?. Perhaps, because our analyzing tools are prehistoric?

One thing is clear, the Atoms decay while trying to prevent it. Our bodies get older, not
because of time, but because our bodies consume themselves in trying to stay young.

The Earth’s population is currently estimated at approx 6.3 Billion. If the world’s annual investments programs on studies of the universe as well as in militarization development and buildup would be stopped for only 3 years, and that capital distributed among earth population, in three years every habitant would have an estimate of 150,000 dollars in their pocket.

Summary: The “Big Bang” that we are searching out there will never be found! How could we, when we don’t even notice the “Big Shit” that’s going on in our own earth??


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The weird thing about our universe is that we CAN understand most of it...
Given the right mathematical tools it would be possible to explain why the universe came into being.

The main questions in my mind right now is; how can the properties of time be produced by the super-symmetry breaking of the early universe? And how the properties of particles come about through changes of the space-time `quanta`...

We can go back and even ask what is the interaction of the decaying scalar higgs bosons to the early bubbles formed at the beginning?

What happened before the big-bang is perhaps forefront science, with theories of two colliding membranes (m-theory)...

Hehe...Smoke some more..., the theories may not be right, but if they work ,look beautiful, and have experimental implications then we should perhaps just `accept` the answerers.

 

Because He felt like it, and He doesn't need a reason.

So where did the membranes come from?

 

You don’t need a God do you? You’ll be happy just with a puff of smoke!

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The simplest answer is that the membranes have always been there (?) ...a bit lame, i know.

Time as we know it doesn`t really apply to the pre-big bang. Time was created at the BB.

The original membrane/membrane hasn`t disappeared, like water hasn`t disappeared when it transforms into ice. It still underlies what we know as space-time.

 

** God's dreams

 

before the Big Bang there was a "chitty chitty"
logic tell us that some time in the future there will be another bang.

 

from what we know, logic say that the universe will expand forever, getting darker and colder...

HEHE, there will be so much space and so little matter that for all intents and purposes that we may regard the universe as empty.


Perhaps ...

 

if there was big bang, it was caused by God.Because big bang cannot happen without cause,and that cause needs to have its cause and so on.Like domino game,something needs to kick first block to cause chain reaction,we need primary cause wich has no cause,and only logical explanation for that is GOD.
sorry on my bad english.

From Russia with love

 

that is the dumbest claim I've heard in a long time

why exactly?

here's my 10sec theory
maybe the particles just were getting closer and closer until they were so dense even for a singularity that it collapsed

another 5 sec theory
we actually live in the singularity of the previous universe

why do you think your god couldn't have any cause? Have you seen and examined your god?

from Latvia with reason