Why Americans love Israel and the Jews

The majority of Americans do not give a damn about Israel . The problem is that Israel is supported by the US politicians and the US law makers because the Jewish lobby is very powerful and control many fields of the media, the finance.....etc . You get a US president after another putting Jews in the highest places of the government . Also Jews are well known to be speech writers, advisers to some presidents .....etc .

 

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Yeah, many people thought Obama would be different. Why, I don't know. The Lobby doesn't change with Presidents. And no American President would put anything as mundane as justice before his campaign contributions.

 

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I also think this is the approach Palestinians should take. It makes the situation clearer and easier to understand and talk about.

Israel would not be such a bad nation to be a citizen of. Palestinians citizens of Israel don't have equal rights but other than perhaps being a despised minority they are still better off in terms of freedom and economics than Arabs are in other Arab nations.

Based on the settlement building It would seem that Israeli consensus within the Israeli government is unwilling to have a permanent future Israel that does not include most of the West Bank. The semi-covert plan seems to be to make the Palestinians in the West Bank sufficiently miserable that they find some way to flee by themselves without Israelis and the world's people having to acknowledge that ethnic cleansing is going on if they don't want to know that ethnic cleansing is going on or to make them chose a future of being docile prisoners on small reservations.

I would say that all land in which Israel controls the access to is part of Israel and that all people born on those lands are Israeli citizens whether Israel like it or not. Egypt does not manage it's crossing to Gaza the way Egypt would manage it's crossing to Gaza if the USA was not giving Egypt vast sums of money to cooperate with Israel so I would say that Gaza also is part of Israel.

 

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I don't like the use of analogies.

They aren't free. They are denied their rights and duly owned compensation from their "brethren", other Arabs, the ones who displaced them in the first place, the ones who for 6 decades continued their plight and in fact made it worse.

 

I'm just bumping this argument to say that I'm working on this train wreck... News at 11.

For Israel, a New Year, and a New Left - Bradley Burston, Haaretz

Honestly I'm not finding a lot of support for a Left-wing resurgence in Israel. Still I'm not convinced it isn't likely. Still digging on edit, new post when I'm feeling more secure about my postion.

 

The presumption is that if life is made uncomfortable enough, people will make the choice to move. Thats been the reasoning behind pogroms, so its the method Jews are most familiar with. However, they forget that the Palestinians are the Jews who didn't leave. Conflating them with Arabs has also not produced the ethnic binding the Israelis have tried so hard to impose. And after 60 years, they still haven't realised why not giving the Palestinians a state in their land will mean the end of the Jewish one.

 

It has to do with the evangelical 'end times' culture which is so popular in America, which requires support for the rebuilding of the Jewish temple.

Aside from that, most American Christians probably think the Jews are going to hell.

Bush went to his mom for counsel on this dilemma when he became a Christian.

There is also the other factor of Hollywood, which has been run by Jews for decades, making one sympathetic film after another.

 

Paranoics...

 

How are the arabs at fault? They for the most part didn't start the war. and the palestinians weren't forced out of their homes when they were under arab control. Face it this mess lands squarely in Israel's lap. eventually Israel and its supporters are going to have to come to term with Israel's crimes just any other state and its supporters need to come to terms with theirs.

 

Mod Note: I'll give you the opportunity to prove that. If not, then you can expect your posts to be deleted.

 

superstring01,

The book "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy"

Although that book specified the Israeli lobby was not all Jewish force nor does is represent all of even most American Jews, it does go into detail on how sickeningly powerful this lobby is.

 

The entire point has to be proven, not just one third of it. The other thirds were: Jewish control of the media & Jewish control of finance.

~String

 

I'm not going to try to prove his points on those as I have no belief in those points, but I do believe in the Israeli lobby and its power and the evidence for it justifies at least that belief.

 

People think AIPAC somehow blackmails or exercises mind control on the American government to somehow force and coerce it to make decisions which are against American interests.

The situation is quite the opposite. Americans exercise an incredible amount of control and interference in Israeli governance. But what happens usually is that the interests of both countries are aligned. There is no sinister Israeli mind control.

In fact, when it comes to funding the right congressmen, Israel and its supporters can only dream about all the oil money that Israel's enemies have to splurge on propping up and bribing candidates.

Get it through your thick skulls - there is no Jewish cabal. You can sleep soundly in bed at night.

 

You have to use judgment on what to censor. Thank you volunteering for this thankless job. Whether Jews and Muslims or whatever grouping of humans is being unfairly smeared or justly criticized is highly subjective. When groups are being protected from deserved criticism by enforced political correctness is also highly subjective.

I hope that what ever standard you use when Jews are the group in question is the same standard that you use when other groups like Muslims are the group in question.

mike47 should not have used the word "control" as that starts becoming a transparently idiotic statement when mike47 used the word "control". The word "influence" would have been a better choice. I think Jews in Finance is irrelevant to America's attitude towards Israel.

I would argue that Jewish exploitation of media's fear of being called antisemitic if they report objectively about Israel has played a significant role in shaping American attitudes about Israel.

I like Jews and value Jews as being in my experience being better than average Americans by my standards but I do blame a Defense contractors/geeky war game boys grown up/and Jews who's objectivity has been twisted by the Israel situation/ +others coalition for getting the USA into wars that I think the USA was better off not getting into.

 

Enough criticism of the state of this debate. Mike has an opportunity to prove his point.

~String

 

The thing is, American Jewry as a voting bloc have been the most anti Bush and anti Iraq war. I didn't make it up - lots of proof available on google. Some Jews were for, some Jews were against... I think that they are first and foremost AMERICANS. To say that whatever the group consensus is, it's not because they want to "trick America" into something. It's because they believe America will be better off for it.

When someone says "the Jews control the media" or "finance", it implies that they are foreign (not reallly American) and do what they do with the media and finance to reach whatever "Jewish" and anti American ends they conspire to.

I suggest you read this piece by Ben Stein. He'll articulate the point better.

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Oh crap.. I just noticed what I had linked to. Look around the web site, enjoy yourself. Thank you Radio Islam for exposing the international conspiracy...

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A nice quote from the article above, notwithstanding the hate site that republished it.

 

It is not for Israel or anyone else to "give" a state to the Palestinians. States are made, not gifted. And the substance they are made of is power.

 

What's not to love? :shrug:

 

the world has moved beyond might makes right to a large extent you should to.