I'm curious: what about imposing your social mores on other people within your own culture? Most of this is done at an age far too early to be consentual; 'consent', too, is at least partially paralysed by the patriarchal pressure imposed on the choice by that society. Are those forced down this road in a "happy place"? Which people assign the values of this cultural system? Do they all have penises, for example, or do some not have them?
Thats what self determination means. Meanwhile, consider that the notion that parents do not have the right to make decisions on behalf of their children is not an Eastern one. They still have arranged marriages. The question of consent, per se, does not arise.
Does self determination apply only to society, or also to the self? Can there be consent without consent?
You only have high faluting notions of self in societies where people are seen and see themselves as individuals. Most Eastern societies are not based off that paradigm. The thought process precludes any notion of individualism. People do not exist except as a part of society.
My high falutin expectations are based on situations in which the rights of individuals were preserved through the hard work, sacrifice and dedication of other individuals. Our civilization didn't fit that model either - until it did. It has not been without cost or wrongful decision-making, but these freedoms are worthy and important. Society does not exist without the people that make it up. How were Middle Eastern societies in the past? Have they always so been? Why should they not change?
Hmm seems like your society is violent, expansionist and heavy on the resource usage. How about you adopt the Asian society instead? Clipped genitals may not be a bad bargain.
Lessee, trade what liberty and freedom we have for a society built on domestic abuse rationales, with the goal of living according to some Pharoah's or Imperial Palace's idea of propriety, and having the women become unoppressed, Egyptian style. I'll ask my sisters what they think of the idea.
Why do you inevitably slip into non sequiturs when you're backed into an untenable moral position? Why not just say "Gee, Geoff, I guess I was wrong." It's a moral choice. You sort of get flummoxed up and resort to hand-waving and equivocation.
Do not be surprised but millions and millions of arranged marriages work fine and produce happy and healthy families in many countries even in 2009 .
A problem of understanding I suppose the main problem here is because people do not want to understand other cultures. Poeple muck at other cultures because what is important for the OTHRERS (due to their traditions or religion, etc) does not look right to you. But why should try to make everybody like yourself? As soon as people start to look at things from a different angle, they'll see that not everything is as they believed. It would be a boring world if all people acted and believed the same way.
I wonder if this fake hymen would have a market with people who do a bit of role playing. Especially in the cathouses of Nevada Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
