Spanking Lowers IQ Points

i still vote that it is ok. as long as it is done at the right times and not abusive, of course. tbh, i wouldnt do it mysef, i cant see it anyway because i am not really concerned with discipline....he he.

 

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i was just using my power over him like an adult does to beat a child.
he has no say in the issue because i am all powerful.
quiet ironic really when you think of it.
what happens when the child complains of being hit ?
whos rules must the child adhere to ?
a collective agreement they have consciously agreed to ?
no !
the child has no free will or choice.

Tiassa, point taken by the way, didnt realise it was against web site rules.

side note
raping children is not against the law in some countries.
but yet people wish to impose their values on others none the less.
why is hitting children any different ?

 

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LOL
"as it is done at the right times and not abusive"

just like sex with a child ?
as long as the child agrees then its ok ?


why is it that soo many in western society consider having sex with a teenager/child is soo damaging yet hitting a small child is perfectly normal ?
sex is just as normal isnt it ?

is it ok to have sex with a child if you hit them at the same time ?
or hit them first ?

sex and violence go really well together and seems odd that many would think non violent sex with a child should be suddenly not ok when your hitting them to begin with.

please explain your moral difference between why you think its wrong for a 40 year old man to have non violent consensual sex with a 14 year old but ok for a 25 year old to hit a 6 year old ?

just like the movie director guy.
is the american government chasing domestic homicide and domestic abuse of children just as vigorously ?

 

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orleander, you call spanking "assaulting" but it really differs per culture. in some cultures its not considered assault, but disciplining.

kids these days can get away with everything. i witnessed a grown man get harassed by a group of annoying 10-12 year olds. he couldn't walk away because it was on a boat and the kids just followed him, but he also couldn't do anything because everyone would jump him if he even touched the kids. such is the retarded western culture. kids can get away with anything because punishments are non-existent or weak.

 

to change your comment here to what the real issue is
"kids can get away with anything because accountability of adults are non-existent or weak. "

the reality of the issue is that the adults wish to sanctify the childs actions to use as a marking stick for their own wayward life and want to sanction bad behaviour by children to make themselves look not soo bad.

THAT IS THE REAL THING GOING ON !

soo the other adults use the children to torment this adult and then watch in their sadistic little game.
the adult should have found the parents of these children and then assaulted the parents or throw them over board

 

its not 'hitting' its discipline,and you dont have to hurt them..
and there is also the element of each kid is different, and only the parent knows when spanking is required or when talking to them works better.
problem is all the ppl out their associating spanking as abusing and trying to make it illegal to spank a kid..that would create more problems than it would solve..

short term care away from parents..of course kids are gonna be better for you.their job is not to test you,they do that to their parents..different perspective when its your own..

imagine that on a daily basis, and as she grows she WILL find ways to get to the stuff you dont want her to play with..

thats pretty typical..with my daughter it was oreo cookies...what a mess..wish i had a pic..

sometimes it takes a non-parent to help..

 

If i had treeted her like her parents did... hollerin at her an smackin her hand... then she woud not have been beter for me.!!!

I gave her my time... i was fare wit her an she trusted me... she had no need to "act-up" to get attenton... i gave her lots of attenton to begin wit... an when i needed to do stuff such as cook clean or do laundry... she wanted to be involved an i woud make her feel a paart of what i was doin... an when it was her nap time she woud go lay down wit no prollem {it was often a struggle for her patents to get her to take a nap).!!!

She was a escellent kid... but she behaved the way she did aroun her parents because thats the way they taut her to behave... her parents method to gane control was to holler an smack her hands... an like mos "hitter" parents... they didnt have a clue... they was certan that they had to keep hittin an hollerin or she woud behave worser an worser... kinda pitiful... but i emagine they was perty average as far as parents go.!!!

Wit the concern you jus showed above... you mus be mor clueless than i thout... ether that or jus graspin at straws tryin to rationalize reasons for hittin kids :shrug:

I do have a pic of spagettO-face somwhare... plus lots of other pics... playin in the leaves... givin a hi-five... ect... an me teechin her how to juggle

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and there is pretty much is in a nutshell

lazy selfish parents hit their kids

 

I'm sure someone said it but I guess there is proof it would make you less of a "Smart Arse".
(I've definitely been on this forum too long, I'm starting to sound like one of the myriad of trolls that come up with these one liners....)

 

gthooh

 

I often wonder how much smarter I would be if I had never been spanked, or never ran into walls (on purpose, for fun)

 

I'm not sure what I feel about this issue, but it should be noted that the child also has dumb.

 

People, this says it all - there is no more point to debating this issue with clueluss, who is truly "clueless" in this instance.

Reasoning with him on this topic is akin to trying to explain to a small child how not to... oh, say touch a hot iron. If the child has never been burned before, they have no frame of reference from which to compare. It is not their fault that they are unable to comprehend something totally outside any experience they have had.

Similarly, one could go on arguing, explaining and relating experiences as an actual parent, but clueluss is not going to get it - ever...

 

Well you have successfully atacked "me"... but which of my arguments do you disagree wit.???

 

I chill with the thought of how much smarter I would be if it were not for all of the spankings I received as a child.

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I don't know if the world would be ready for such an intelligence

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Well, let's see, obviously patience is required here, much as if you were speaking with a small child... :wallbang:


I disagree with your argument that corporal punishment has no place in child rearing. It would seem that the fanatics here equate spanking with beating. I believe there is a distinction.

My position is that if you are dealing with a child that misbehaves in a way that may cause them serious physical harm or even death, such as running into the street without looking both ways, then it is better that they feel the pain of a smack to their behind than a smack from the grille of a car.

Whether this is effective or not is open to debate, and is debated daily by people far above our paygrade. While I believe that this sort of punishment is effective in certain circumstances, I also believe that parents who strike children for every little offense, real or imagined, are in fact doing psychological harm to that child.

Your arguments seem to indicate that you believe in a "no touch" policy. Fine. Let me know how that works out with your own children.

Oh, wait a minute, you have no children, so you really are arguing from a position of ignorance, at least as applies to personal experience.

In my opinion, you're not qualified to form an opinion one way or the other. Or perhaps I'm wrong, maybe you have a degree in child psychology? Work as a guidance counselor at a local school? Or even have served as an assistant in a peer reviewed study of the effects of corporal punishment (as opposed to "beating")?

No?

Than, I for one, have no respect for your opinions on this matter, it is like talking to a wall to discuss it with you.

You think you have all the answers, are certain what you would do in any given set of circumstances, but dude, you have never been there!

This is not an attack on you, this is an attack on your "sources". I could always ask that of you, by SF rules, "cite your sources". Personal experience? A book you read somewhere? A web site? What? How did you become such an authority? Because you, in your own opinion, turned out alright, in spite of no corporal punishment in your own upbringing? What? :shrug:

Pfffft....

 

If you feel you must use corporal punishment because it's necessary to lessen the danger of your children injuring themselves by engaging in risky behavior like running into the street without looking, well okay, I guess as a parent that's your call to make. But be aware that according to the best scientific evidence currently available, there is a statistical likelihood that your child will not develop as quickly mentally and end up with a lower IQ than if you had not used corporal punishment. The more you use the corporal punishment, the more severely your child's IQ is likely to be diminished. So if it's at all possible to prevent them from engaging in risky behavior without using corporal punishment, you should probably try to use the alternatives - and if you feel it's absolutely necessary, you should probably try to keep it to a minimum.

 

I absolutely agree. I think if you read my prior posts this will be evident. Absolutely try all alternatives. Plus, I specifically mentioned 2-3 spankings in the kids' entire lives. This would seem minimal to me, especially compared to the era I grew up in. I am not advocating "beating" or "violence", I'm simply saying (IMHO) that the Pavlov instinct can sometimes be worth the hypothetical trade off to a child's mental health.

Any time a spanking was administered, there was a full explanation of why (after the fact), when things calmed down. These punishments, consisting of a slap or two to the behind, admittedly fairly hard slaps, followed by explanation, seemed to offset the idea of "fear the parent" and "randomness".

Personally, I think inconsistency in punishment is most likely to cause the type of psychological damage bandied about in this thread. i.e. yesterday I was allowed to ride my bike to the neighbors 2 miles away, today I am punished for it, tomorrow "oh, it's OK" again. Rinse and repeat.

This type of child rearing could easily cause a bit of schizophrenia (layman's term) in a child. This is without mentioning severe "beating", falling into the category of abuse. That is just plain wrong, and the offenders deserve to lose their children. Of course, this puts the child into the whole foster care system. In the US at least, that can result in a situation with its own set of potential damages, sometimes turning out way worse...

Bottom line, we all do the best we can, excepting sadists and other mentally ill parents. I can certainly think of worse things than a slap on the wrist, but that still doesn't justify corporal punishment.

What does justify physical punishment is if it is administered properly and handled correctly. What is at question of course, is what is "proper and correct".

I have stated my position, the children in question are grown now and seem to have turned out alright.

As far as I know, there are no definitive studies indicating whether occasional spankings (not "beatings") help or hurt in rearing a child. Until such evidence comes into play, we all have to make our best decisions based on our own experience and knowledge.

I must admit though, I resent someone who has never even raised a child trying to tell actual parents what is best. They have been there, through the diapers, the tears, the laughter, the anger and happiness, the ups and downs... What gives someone with no children the right to even comment?

Best for clueluss and his childless friends to sit by and listen (or read, as the case may be), hoping for some enlightenment. Then pick the bits that make sense to them, use them when they are rearing their own children and hope for the best.

 

The beter parent woud be mor concerned wit havin a child under control who ant mature enuff to safely be aroun traffic... than hittin the child because the parent wasnt supervisin good enuff.!!!

No... lol... my policy is... touch you'r child wit hugs an kisses an pats on the bak... an dont use hittin as a teechin tool.!!!

To be clear... im not certan about anythang... but i never needed to be hit for my parents to get a pont across to me... an it mus be hard for you to emagine... but yes... even tho i didnt have a fear that my parents woud hurt me.... i loved an respected them... an i admire them for the estra time an effort they put in to raizin me wit-out the use of "punishments".!!!

An yes.... the little girl i baby set for... for 9 houres a day over a 6 mounthe period was not my own child... but even if she had been i dont thank i woud have started hittin her... you see... i grew up wit the non-violent method of child rearin... an i suspect you dont have that esperience... an thar-for... thats why you'r havin trouble understandin its superiority.!!!

 

dont worry joe. the article is confusing some issues. it describes a child who is abused on a daily basis.