Star Wars vs Star Trek

Provived of course level ten works against the materials in question. We have only dialog to go on, not any visuals. Besidesif a hand phaser can drill through rock so effectively why are phaser drill used to Dig the Voyage out that one moon they got stuck in? Would a hand phaser or ship phasers do?

 

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What he means i think is that it is powared by a blakc hole, ie, the Romulans use an artificial quantum singularity to power their ship.

No offense, but what you are saying is like saying that any electricity that coems out of a nuclear power plant would be radioactive just because it was created using nuclear power.

 

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Also I was wondering, on a game like crysis there are these aliens and one of their heavy weapons is a gun that fires and when the round hits the target it forms a blakc hole that lasts around a minute. In theory, couldnt a round that uses a black hole be incredible?

One thought is the idea of using it as an armor penetrater, having a small black hole that you fire incredibly fast and when it hits enemy shields because of its small size incredible density and time distortion it could argueably penetrate most forms of shielding out there. And if it hits the ship's hull, than theyre really screwed.

This is just a cool idea for an awesome scifi gun, what do you guys think?

 

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Fine, they were atomized, and yes, we HAVE seen that in TNG.

TNG: "The Vengeance Factor"
Star Trek: First Contact

both have examples of that

 

I did, and I don't believe you understood the point of what I said.

 

And yet the standard level 16 setting on a type 2 phaser can be used to vaporize tunnels through rock, large enough to crawl through. (TNG: "Chain of Command, Part I") The level 16 wide-field setting can easily destroy half of a large building with a single shot. (TNG: "Frame of Mind")

Cutting settings can be used to slice off segments of a steelplast wall, (TNG: "Too Short a Season") a standard starfleet corridor wall (TOS: "The Naked Time") or even to slice off body parts. (Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country)

 

They stated in the episode they couldn't drill their way out because the asteroid was too unstable.

 

Can I just point out that Data is not equivalent to a power generation stamp like those on a light bulb. "We are presently generating 12.75 b GW" does not indicated any lower or upper limit of power generation; it merely indicates that the active systems on the Enterprise required 12.75 b GW of sustained power at the time of his quote.

 

True, but this is more due to the odd effect of the phaser weapon and seems limited to organic m,aterials or at much higher power setting light metals.

 

There is a reason I didn;t understand. You said 5 million gigawatts was more than 12.75 billion gigwatts. You even went on to somehow try to explain how that works, much to your chagrin in the end. You gave me more ammunition in that one response than you have in anything else.

 

We have seen the first, but then again rock is a completely different thing from metal or energy ablative plastics. As for the second we have only Riker's word and no visual, and since he is a master bluffer.....

 

Uh... it would take more energy to atomize rock than metal mate.

 

Well, considering a Type 1 phaser on overload could easily take out a large chunk of a corridor in a GCS + the areas surrounding it... lol. I don't think he was bluffing, and it is up to you to prove he was.

 

Not really - re-read it and see if you understand yet.

If not, I guess I'll have to explain :shrug:

 

Actually that would depend on the rocks in question, breaking molecular bonds is pretty energy intensive, sometimes in needing energy (Endothermic) and in releasing energy (exothermic)

 

Yet later one being sett off in Ten Forward did squat (albeit it was phased, it still hould have cooked Geordi and Ro Laren.)

 

Yeah , go head explain to all of us how you think 5 million gigawats is somehow more than 12.75 billion gigwats. . Sure, go right ahead.

You are so stuck on arguing with me that you don't realize you simply made an error.

 

first off, sorry for being late on reply, work's been hell lately

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i know that tricorders can be used this way and it is precisely the reason why i mentioned them. but you do realize that people "lighting" the targets this way are exposing them selves to attack. so it is doable but often risky. especially if there is shooting already going on around with more then light arms.

 

nor did i say ISDs can fight at their equivalent of 1/4 impulse (which btw isn't equivalent to 1/4 light speed as many trek dudes like to think). what i said is that at 1/4 impulse most fed vessels would suffer structural or thermal (more likely) damage and most are not designed to land eigther.

 

yes, but no tanks, APCs or drop-ships (or equivalents of all these). the only mechanisation witnised again and again is air power. not even heavy "machine guns" or AT guns. troops yes, mechs no, that was my point.