Should compassion be a part of the justice system?

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Asguard, Aug 23, 2009.

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Should anyone be releaced on compassionate grounds

  1. US Yes

    45.5%
  2. US No

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  3. UK Yes

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  4. UK No

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  5. Eroupe Yes

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  6. Eroupe No

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  7. Other (please state in thread which country) Yes

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  8. Other (please state in thread which country) No

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  1. Bells Staff Member

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    No more than any other State Government. Queensland politicians just aren't as good as hiding it.

    No system is better, worse or the same as any other. Simply because every system is quite different in their own way. Comparing one to the other will always give false findings as a result.

    And many are.

    It isn't the compassion of the justice system that releases innocent individuals. It is the compassion of lawyers who work as volunteers, along with lobby groups who work for free who work to have the verdicts against innocent individuals overturned. Many universities who teach law now have 'innocent projects' where law students work for free with their law professors to pore over cases and evidence that just do not add up or that indicate a guilty verdict was not the correct verdict. The justice system in and of itself has no compassion. It is the people who work in and around the justice system who have to have compassion to do it.

    I got a dream job basically. I had put out some feelers without expecting to hear anything back. I figured it would take a year or two, but within a few weeks, I was offered a position. So we moved and now I am a 20 minute train commute to work. Hubby is staying home with the kids and doing some work from home. We have both decided to not return to our previous house that was damaged by the storm, as we would both be paranoid each time we had another storm or it rained too hard. We're happy where we are at the moment. We were just lucky that the tenants of one of our houses in the area we were looking to buy in decided to buy his own house, so we did some minor renovations to suit our needs and moved in instead. Life is good now.

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    Now I just need to convince my husband that he needs to stop spending over $300 a week on lego (apparently the kids "need" all of it

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  3. mike47 Banned Banned

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    Sam you are WRONG .
    The people believed and still believe he was and he is INNOCENT .
    Not a prisoner of war .
     
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  5. Doreen Valued Senior Member

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    I am definitely willing to consider your position. I went and look at articles in English language Libyan papers - all of which were critical of the West - and I read people who thought he was innocent and others who thought he was a hero. A man who is unjustly imprisoned for a crime is not a hero. So my impression is that people's views in Libya vary. And I still think that welcome was wrongly handled.

    This does not mean that the West handles welcome home receptions well or is better, more civilized or somehow remotely innocent. I am very critical of the West's dealings in the Middle East.

    But I still think this welcoming smelled bad.

    They could have made it clear they were not welcoming home someone they thought killed civilians randomly. I think people in the West, for example family members of those killed in the plane explosion, would have reacted rather differently if they had.
     
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  7. mike47 Banned Banned

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    I saw some interviews on Al Jazeera in English .
    People were saying he is innocent .
    They are not saying....he did it and we love him .
     
  8. Doreen Valued Senior Member

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    I should have also said

    If the West does something wrong,which it often, certainly does, or would do something wrong, this does not excuse wrongdoing by others.

    If I said 'The Libyans and an evil people, look what they did on this date'

    then your answer makes more sense.

    It sends the wrong message not to make it clear what they are celebrating and how they view the returning person.
     
  9. Doreen Valued Senior Member

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    I saw no one come out and say he did it. I did see people refer to him as a hero. To come out and directly say he did it would be to call him a liar.
     
  10. Mr. Hamtastic whackawhackado! Registered Senior Member

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    He did it!
     
  11. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    a guy steals money for gambling
    a guy steals money to feed his family

    Yeah, the crimes are identical, but the reasons aren't. I do think compassion should be shown for one.
     
  12. Doreen Valued Senior Member

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  13. mike47 Banned Banned

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    And that is exactly the point .
    They all believe he is innocent .
    I must add that a full inquiry should be launched to clear the mess of this trial which more political than juridical .
    As a person I want some answers . The trial was a farce .
     
  14. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Not everything is a performance for the media.
     
  15. Doreen Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry, but the media was present, they knew this, the leaders son was present. This was a performance at the very least, also.
     
  16. Doreen Valued Senior Member

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    Then there wouldnt be people who refer to him as a hero. Being falsely accused and imprisoned does not make one a hero.
     
  17. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    What was the word used for hero?
     
  18. WarAgainstError Registered Member

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    Compassion is a part of any justice system. Compassion and justice go hand in hand.

    Even locking somebody up is deemed as being compassionate to the rest of the community in order to save them from the incarcerated one!
     
  19. swarm Registered Senior Member

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    An odd bit of trivia, a friend was supposed to be on that flight, but got held over last second.
     
  20. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    A loaf of bread is barely even a misdemeanor. It takes felonies to get in three strikes. A Felony is Assault and battery, Grand Theft, Murder, Arson....that level of crime
     
  21. swarm Registered Senior Member

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    Really horrible stuff like getting high.
     
  22. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    Without stating an opionion on this specific case...
    Justice is impossible without compassion.
     
  23. Zap Facts > Opinions Registered Senior Member

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    Convicts should either be immediately killed or released under some kind of restitution program. There is no logical reason to have anything in between, like prisons.
     

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