Early modern humans use fire to engineer tools from stone

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  1. common_sense_seeker Bicho Voador & Bicho Sugador Valued Senior Member

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  3. ashpwner Registered Senior Member

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    That's amazing to think we were that advanced in that time period, or we have not advanced much since.
     
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  5. common_sense_seeker Bicho Voador & Bicho Sugador Valued Senior Member

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    It is amazing to think that modern fire-engineering humans existed two ice ages ago! They must have found the first warm period evolutionary bliss and started breeding like rabbits, just like we are doing now.
     
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  7. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Just as Lemmings do, then commit sucide because there's to many of them.
     
  8. ashpwner Registered Senior Member

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    Kind of begs the questions if they were able to do that so far back, what have we been doing since then seems like we developed verry slowly.
     
  9. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    Lemmings don't ccommit suicide. Perhaps if you travelled the northern reaches of our planet rather than the cosmos you would know this.
     
  10. Valentine_A Registered Member

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    Where did you “learn” this from? I hope it was not from the Disney film White Wildness because the scene of lemmings falling off a cliff in that one was faked.
     
  11. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    I'm sure Cosmic was sharing his sense of humour with you all. You should all know that Lemmings are forced into Mass genocide over a platform level by a bored teenager from the early 1990's.

    On a serious note I'm pretty sure I expressed it somewhere else, Lemmings can breed in large numbers, and they use to go beyond the numbers that the surrounding countryside could supply in the way of food. So they would migrate. During their migration however some lemmings would die, this was mainly due to "ice" bridges spanning the migration route. If they migrated at the wrong time of year (or the environment is suffering a climatic change) the relatively short swim becomes miles. In that time they die while trying to reach their destination.

    To be honest a herd of stampeding cattle rushing towards a cliffedge would be more suicidal... (well technically it would be Cowacide, since they would push each other off the edge)
     
  12. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    They still had the same brains that we do. I think we have learned much since then. We now know we are in a galaxy and the universe is expanding, things those people could not begin to figure out.
     
  13. common_sense_seeker Bicho Voador & Bicho Sugador Valued Senior Member

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    General day-to-day life wouldn't have been that different though, I don't think. Not from a philosophical point of view anyway...
     
  14. D H Some other guy Valued Senior Member

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    Please. We live to about 70 years now rather than half that. We have grandparents and great-grandparents. We don't have to have a gazillion babies because most die in childbirth. Men don't have to constantly look over their shoulders because someone is about to murder them and their sons. Women don't have to constantly look over their shoulders because someone is about to rape and murder them and rape and enslave their daughters. General day-to-day life is anything but what is was in the bad old days.
     
  15. Search & Destroy Take one bite at a time Moderator

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    are you a forager and homeless nomad?
     
  16. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Comon this is something, if they could do stone-fire hardening 72-164,000 YA, well...I want to know what happened to these geniuses. That's late stone age stuff is it not?
     
  17. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    Are you sure it woulnd't be moo..rder?
     
  18. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Huh??? The taming of fire was merely one key technology in the advance of our species. It allowed us to construct more powerful tools, but not powerful enough to advance us out of the Paleolithic Era, the "Early Stone Age."

    Agriculture (farming plus animal husbandry) was the key technology that lifted us out of that era and into the Neolithic Era, the "Late Stone Age." At this time we made the monumental transition from nomadic hunter-gatherers living in small extended-family units, to larger permanent settlements that both permitted and required us to learn to live in harmony and cooperation with more people. The division of labor and economies of scale of a village also created the first surplus wealth, which freed us from the threat of famine as well as giving us furniture, containers, art, large tools, and all those things that are too big for nomads without wheels and draft animals to possess. The Agricultural (or Neolithic) Revolution is acknowledged as a "Paradigm Shift," a fundamental change in the way our species lives, a major step up from being slaves to nature.

    The key technologies of city building, metallurgy, industry and electronics brought about the subsequent series of Paradigm Shifts. Although Toffler and other writers disagree with me about including civilization and the Bronze Age on the list, its overall impact nonetheless has been a steady increase in our ability to override nature, both the natural environment and our own human nature. For example, we have overcome our pack-social nature and become herd-social, living in harmony and cooperation among anonymous strangers, rather than continuing to live in packs of intimate acquaintances like the two other species of chimpanzees.

    The merging of huge numbers of people into large communities has resulted in the creation of a new type of organism: civilization. It is bigger than any of us, surprisingly durable (able to survive our wars and occasional backsliding), and keeps going despite the deaths of its individual cells (i.e.: us).

    This is the true "advance" that marks our history on this planet. Fire was merely one of the first steps.
     

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