There was and is a Palestinian nation

see first paragraph of post #123

you said

because they're as you claimed, immigrants.

i'm saying the same can be said about the US.

muslim countries should unite, create an Israel in the US, and answer all who ask, "Americans are immigrants anyway, so what exactly gives them more right to claim the US as theirs?"

 

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can't liberate those who aren't oppressed

 

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Palestine was, is and will be for ever . The issue is how to obtain peace and prosperity in the region ?.

 

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Same way that the Apaches and Comanches and everyone else who had their country stolen made peace. Wait a few hundred more years and before long you'll have forgotten most of everything that made you who you were.

 

Not true.
Many countries were under occupation for more than 100 years and then they got their fredoms .

 

Depends on who is occupied. 800 years under the Mongols and 200 years under the British did not create this amnesia in Indians.

I see the Palestinians and they seem to have solidified their identity, not cast it off.

 

It's not a nonsensical argument. Israel is already better than any possible wannabe Palestinian nation in the area and we know very well what happens when disorganized terrorists take power in a country (Algeria). The important thing is not that of who has more rights to stay in Palestine but the entire situation and the possible consequences also for the west (economics and world stability). So Israel is better.

 

Um no denying people their rights is never better than not denying them their rights.

 

It is better when it is convenient for everyone.

 

Do you support Holocaust denial if "it is better for everyone"?

 

It happened... What has to do the denial of a historical event that happened in europe some decades ago with liberals that want to give control of a country in the middle east to some groups of disorganized and divided terrorists with strong religious problems now? I know, I know... You are going to say that Palestinians should have the fucking right to stay in Palestine instead of Israelis but it simply doesn't matter because they don't deserve it... This because they wouldn't be able to build a normal country. They don't even want to build a normal country! Their leaders just want another Shari'a driven theocratic playground.

 

Is that a yes or a no?

 

No. It is not convenient for everyone.

 

Its a fairly simple question, difficult to misunderstand

Do you support Holocaust denial if "it is better for everyone"? Would you support erasing the shoah from all textbooks and history and education if it was better for everyone?

 

You can't deny something that has already happened.

 

Why not? Israel does it all the time.

Israel bans use of Palestinian term 'nakba' in textbooks

But just like you, Israelis are more concerned with protecting the dead and have no concern with the rights of the living

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6tyTSK6BjM

You'd make an excellent Israeli

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I was talking about making the right thing now. The past doesn't matter.

 

And yet, you would not deny the holocaust, which is in the past, but have no problem stripping 10 million Palestinians of their rights.

 

It doesn't matter because it happened in the past. Without even the smallest regret, because with those rights they would build another theocratic totalitarianism. You are stripping not only the Palestinians of their rights, but also the Israelis.

 

Colonisers have no rights. At least, none that the natives are not willing to concede to them. The British learned that after 200 years. The Israelis [most of whom are western immigrants with dual passports and nationalities and currently settling on land deemed illegally occupied by all the international community] will not take that long.