9/11 Poll

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Who was responsible for 9/11?

  1. 1- The official story regarding 9/11 is the sacred truth. Questioning it is blasphemous.

    2.2%
  2. 2- The official story regarding 9/11 is more or less right. No need to investigate further.

    43.3%
  3. 3- The official story regarding 9/11 is questionable in some areas.

    20.0%
  4. 4- EoG (Elements of the Government) let 9/11 happen.

    2.2%
  5. 5- EoG let 9/11 happen. EoG prevented the investigation of certain individuals before 9/11.

    6.7%
  6. 6- EoG, perhaps in the form of a secret society, made 9/11 happen.

    17.8%
  7. 7- Other

    7.8%
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  1. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    No, they Aren't.
    Harrit makes no effort to compare his spectra to a refference spectrum for metallic aluminium in any form.

    And yet you keep making assumptions about what I believe, and you keep misrepresenting what I believe, only when I point out that what you think I believe is wrong does it become irrelevant.

    And you wonder why real scientests have little time for debates like this?


    No i'm not, i've already pointed out how Harrits paper fails to meet basic requirements of experimental design, and fails to prove what he claims it does.

    Strictly speaking, whether or not the red chips are paint is irrelevant to whether or not they're nano thermite. I don't have to prove that they're paint chips, in order to prove that they're not nanothermite.


    They might have intended to try and prove it, but they failed to do so.
    Christopher Columbus intended to sail to India...

    Yes, I've read Harrits paper, or did you just ignore the number of times that i've stated it. You're starting to sound like a bible thumper with this whole "Because you disagree with me, you obviously haven't read the paper".

    Guess what, i've read through it, several times, and it doesn't say what HArrit thinks it does. If you look at the refference spectrum i've already provided a couple of times now, you'll see that, as I have stated repeatedly, the peak height ratios are identical to the spectrum that Harrit produces.

    if you think i'm wrong, show me just one reference spectrum that shows the same features at the same energy.

    You won't.
    You can't.

    Instead you'll sit around pissing in your pants bitching about my being a disinformation agent while playing at being a scientest, and pretending to understand what Harrit (and others) are on about.


    In your dreams. You only wish it was.

    The Zinc oxide which reacts with the oil that formed the paint base, to foram soaps that are soluble in MEK?

    That Zinc?

    Not a point I have looked into.

    Harrits paper would not pass an honest peer review.
    He snuck it into the journal behind the editors back, and has refused to subject his paper to an independent peer review. Some of these points have been raised with him, and he has responded with hand waving and obfuscation.

    Speaking of polluting the internet, has your mother unplugged the phone cable to the basement yet?
     
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  3. KennyJC Registered Senior Member

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    And what did Jones or Harrit say is the speed of the energy release of the paint... er.. i mean sooper-thermite?

    It can be anything you want it to be.

    If Jones or Harrit were so certain it was nanothermite, they'd want to have it inspected by independent experts. They won't though, because they know it will come back with the results of it being paint. They don't want to offer it up to actual experts because they know it would be the nail in the coffin of the truth movement.

    It's just an immensely stupid idea, and you know it. Show at least some shame.
     
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  5. psikeyhackr Live Long and Suffer Valued Senior Member

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    So why do we see that same damn picture so much? People admit they only found ONE filing cabinet.

    It is like that ONE picture we always see of the ground zero worker standing in front of a column with that slanted cut. Like one column proves something.

    Richard Gage doesn't even talk about the distribution of steel. Who's side is he on? Does the distribution of steel have anything to do with reality of skyscrapers? No, it can't possibly be related to the square inches of cross sectional area of the columns on each level.

    psik
     
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  7. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    Beats me. :shrug:
    Maybe because it's the one they decided to keep, I dunno.
    I'm just pointing out that the assumption they only found one may not neccessarily be a valid assumption.
     
  8. Tony Szamboti Registered Senior Member

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    You are simply arguing from indredulity here. You have no basis to deny the reality of that umbrella being a weapon other than you can't believe it.

    There is proof that there was such a weapon designed, and we have a guy standing with an open umbrella on a sunny day during a murder, with the victim having an entry wound from that direction of the same diameter as that weapon's projectile and smaller than any rifle or pistol rounds.

    As far fetched as it may sound initially, it is real. It just wasn't investigated.
     
  9. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    you can interpret the video any way you wish. which essentially makes the video worthless. the video also cuts immediately after his statement which implies that he did in fact state later what he did or did not do.
    yes. in the nist report on building 7.
    i specifically said "WTC 1 & 2", not the government.
    i'm convinced beyond any reasonable doubt that WTC 1 & 2 was not taken down by explosives.
    the only real mystery here is 7.
     
  10. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    thinking and knowing are two different things.

    i have asked, numerous times, for the evidence that links these chips to WTC 1 & 2. so far this evidence hasn't been forthcoming.
     
  11. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    Personally, the only time i've seen an umbrella used as a weapon, it required use at point blank range, and the projectile was hidden in the shaft, not the ribs (and it was used to deliver a lethal dose of Ricin).
     
  12. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    2308 posts ? This is absurd..
     
  13. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    of ONE thread out of how many threads?
    we might have some kind of record here.
     
  14. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Nah, I think the Startrek thread has this one beat.
     
  15. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    No, it implies they are within the region \( 10^{-9} \) m

    Not \( 10^{-8} \) or \( 10^{-7}\) m

    Particles 200nm across, are not 'nanometre sized particles, they are TWO ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE GREATER IN SIZE. You said 'nanometre sized particles, and you are talking out of your butt.
     
  16. scott3x Banned Banned

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    phlog, you're right about the first part. A nanometer is indeed \( 10^{-9} \). But you failed the test on the second part, thinking that a particle 200 nanometers in size shouldn't be described as a nanometer sized particle.

    Why? Because when measuring things that are very small or very big in meters, the measurement types are every 3 powers of magnitude. Thus, meter, and then kilometer \( 10^{3} \) m. Millimeter \( 10^{-3} \) m, then micron \( 10^{-6} \) m, and then nanometer \( 10^{-9} \) m. A 200 nanometer object is only .2 microns; it simply can't qualify as a micron sized particle. Hope this helps.
     
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  17. scott3x Banned Banned

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    I think you mean the Star Wars vs. Star Trek thread, in which case, yes it does, by a large margin. While this is only one of the 9/11 threads, I think that it may well be that even all of the 9/11 threads combined might not beat it. I must admit I laughed at the Star Trek TNG enterprise going against the Death Star ;-).

    Actually, I think it's fairly hard to keep threads on 9/11 going at times, because emotions can frequently run high and emotions running high can (and frequently do) equate to people blowing their tops; and that, in turn, can lead to the ruination of a thread. Clearly, it's good if a few cool heads can try to dampen down excessive emotional input, and while I certainly believe there is room for improvement, it seems that we've more or less managed to do this.
     
  18. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    "200 nanometers" is not "a nanometer".
    a 200 nanometer particle is not "a nanometer" particle.
    in fact it can be described as "a particle 100s of nanometers across".
     
  19. Hoz_Turner Registered Member

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    Here you go again, avoiding the evidence and the facts.

    As for comparing to "reference spectrum", this shows you are confusing the matter, I'm afraid. Jeffery Farrer is an expert in X-EDS and regarding the beams and regions of focus, the respective spikes for aluminium and oxygen are clear.

    The rest of the facts about the lack of zinc oxide and magnesium are clear, and you have avoided them. This completely rules out paint from the WTC.

    So, I again ask you to stop spreading disinformation.
     
  20. scott3x Banned Banned

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    Correct.

    Again, correct. It is a nanometer -sized- particle. That is, it is within the nanometer range- equal to or larger than a nanometer and smaller than a micron.


    Sure. It can't, however, be described as a micron sized particle. What measurement type would you use to describe it?
     
  21. psikeyhackr Live Long and Suffer Valued Senior Member

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    Isn't ASSUMING ANYTHING outside the laws of physics invalid?

    You are just muddying the waters without contributing anything.

    Doesn't every skyscraper have to hold up its own weight? Didn't that problem have to be solved in the Empire State building? So why shouldn't we be told the distribution of steel and concrete and not have to ASSUME ANYTHING?

    http://www.nowpublic.com/world/worl...ate-towers-should-have-remained-standing-9-11

    psik
     
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  22. scott3x Banned Banned

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    Trippy, I took a look at the data Hoz presented, and what he's saying makes sense to me.
     
  23. scott3x Banned Banned

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    I don't think that knowing the destribution of steel and concrete would mean that we would the know the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth concerning 9/11

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    However, it would be nice. It would also be nice to know conclusively if there was anything other than anything of the floors survived other than this meteorite like piece. Your mentioning that there was only one filing cabinet found is strongly suggestive that little if any more of it survived. This all goes back to the issue of how much energy would have been required to create the type of collapse debris that was found at ground zero. I used to think that the quantity of dust in the following link may be off, but now I'm not sure; Tony told me something that led me to believe this, but I'm now wondering if the number I was thinking of, which had been supplied by an official story supporter, was in fact a misinterpretation of something that was said in it. I definitely think that some useful things can probably be ferretted out of the following article from 9/11 Research concerning the North Tower's dust cloud:
    The North Tower's Dust Cloud - Analysis of Energy Requirements for the Expansion of the Dust Cloud Following the Collapse of 1 World Trade Center
     
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