Crack Down In Iran--The Massacre is On

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  1. Bells Staff Member

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    It is easy to blame the West, we are evil bastards after all, than to actually admit that the problems in Iran is caused by the leadership. God forbid there is any form of accountability being placed on the shoulders of the Iranian leadership. Much easier to blame the West.

    The Government you are saying is "elected", may not have been elected as they claim to have been elected. The Guardian Council has admitted that in several cities, there were more votes than eligible voters. Coupled with the mobile polling booths that no one knows where they went, etc, all run by strong supporters of Ahmadinejad.. One candidate polled 55% in 2005 and in this election, polled 5%.. and he was a popular candidate who had showed quite well in polls leading up to the election. Nooo.. no irregularities there. Not to mention the manner in which he won. Again, nooo.. it's all good. Millions upon millions of votes hand counted in about 2-3 hours to give a definitive result? Hey, yep, all good.

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    I never would have pegged you as being so gullible.

    But yeah, blame the West. Easier that way than to actually admit that what has happened and what is happening now is down right wrong. Arresting and detaining dissenters or anyone who questions the Government is acceptable to you? Arresting and detaining journalists is acceptable? Beating up and killing people for daring to question the leadership or disagree with the leadership is acceptable? But yeah, it's the West's fault that the leadership has sent out its attackdogs to murder the citizens who are speaking out or protesting or even standing on the street watching the protest.

    Ahmadinejad farts, smell is terrible... Blames West. Possible CIA involvement in sneaking chilli and cabbage in his food.. News at 11.

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    That has been the attitude of the leadership thus far. Easier to blame the West than to admit that they might, just might, have stuffed up and gone too far.
     
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  3. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Couldn't have put it better myself. Strawdog is all for freedom of the media, unconditional dialogue, human rights and open democracy, yada yada, except when it favours forces that oppose dictators who are unnecessarily belligerent towards the West. He already staked his reputation on claims that Iran was a superior and better-governed society, so you can expect him to blame the usual suspects rather than be driven insane by the humiliating truth. Sure we have no right to impose our ways on the Iranian people. Nor do an elite minority of theocrats who stuff ballot boxes, attempting to hold onto power long enough to initiate the apocalypse they seek while their nation crumbles around them.
     
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  5. Xylene Valued Senior Member

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    I find it very difficult to compare the basic tenets of Islam with the savavge images we're getting from Tehran--it seems to me that however religious these clerics claim to be, they're just a bunch of psychopathic thugs who want to hold on to power at all costs, as long as the main cost is paid by their opponents...

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    They should be mindful of the old saying, that those who sow the wind shall reap the storm.
     
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  7. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    In the first place, what's going on in Iran right now represents a coup by a militarist faction against a clerical faction. So even if you have faith in the clerical faction's adherence to Islam, you wouldn't expect recent events to conform to that.

    In the second place, this turn of affairs has bulldozed the credibility and pretensions of certain would-be revolutionaries here. Who will ever take them seriously again when they complain about dictatorship in Egypt or Saudi Arabia, after they've stumped for the Basij? And so all we're left with is crude hatred of infidel Westerners, dressed up with hollow rhetoric.
     
  8. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    What is taking place now is relatively small among the titanic grievances that many (especially urban) Iranians have with their ailing government.
     
  9. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    As long as there is no support from the regular Iranian army, I don't see the iranian people getting out of this.
     
  10. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    That's what they said not long before the Peacock Puppet flew the coop.
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Now all they need is a Supreme Court that says there is no time for a recount and the President of choice can be established.
     
  12. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    There are streds of evidence.

    For example, the margins in the home towns of some opposition candidates were announced as following the general trend of around 75% to Ahmedinijad. But these areas are essentially clan areas. The chances of that percentage of people voting for Ahmedinijad rather than their local candidate in the proportions reported is negligible.
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Kinda like Muslims voting for Modi after he was implicated in the Gujarat massacre of Muslims. But after speaking to some Muslims, it was discovered that they cared more about the economy and their jobs than interreligious strife. Hence they voted for the anti-Muslim Modi, as the man most likely to spur the economy. Application of western norms overlooks how people think in some communities and in other societies.
     
  14. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Other signs include the fact that election results were announced for some areas before voting had even finished.
     
  15. Bells Staff Member

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    Isn't that what the Guardian Council is for and they have established their President of choice?

    By all accounts, the economy in Iran was in a nose dive.

    There is a plethora of evidence that the election was 'not quite right' as one could put it.

    And then the fact that the Supreme Leader endorsed the election before the Guardian Council even gave the result of their findings. Not to mention the fact that members of the Guardian Council sided with the Government. There is no partial and fair election. They wanted their guy to win and they wanted him to win with a huge margin to make a point.

    If they had nothing to hide, they would have gladly allowed a recount, just to rub that victory into the face of the dreaded reformists. Their refusal and arrest, detention and murders of any dissenters is quite telling. It tells that they have a lot to hide.

    But there are some things that tells you of the attitude of the leadership in Iran, the extent to which they would go to. Vote rigging, fraud, murder, beatings, unlawful arresets and now this:

     
  16. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    Sam: "Now all they need is a Supreme Court that says there is no time for a recount and the President of choice can be established. "

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    My first good morning laugh. Thanks.
     
  17. tuberculatious Banned Banned

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    in the US they can hold you without a reason. So they don't have to shoot protesters.
     
  18. terrybrookman Registered Member

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    I guess you can wonder why Russian heavy lifters are being used by the US military to fly over a thousand heavy battle tanks into southern Iraq along the Iran border. We do shoot protesters here remember Kent State and other places. We are just another kind of slave to the world banking system.
     
  19. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Is that what the Supreme Court said? really.....?

    There had already been how many recounts?
     
  20. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    explain to me how the us which has taken no f****** opinion on the matter what so fucking ever is involved? Or is the mere thought of our existance really swaying your opinions that much?
     
  21. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Er...actually the Iranian government itself admits that there were more votes than voters in something like 50 cities. The Supreme Council has admitted "irregularities"; yet, they insist on carrying on.
     
  22. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    The retention of Ahmedinejidad probably allows the Supreme Council a bit more strength against the third or so that support the reformers, by tying the fate of the old guard in with the army. So...yeah. Pretty much, it would seem.
     
  23. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    I was going to post this at the time, but thought second of it, confusedly: http://driftglass.blogspot.com/2009/06/recount.html
     
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