Extreme political views on Israel

Discussion in 'Politics' started by S.A.M., Apr 13, 2009.

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Are the views outlined in the OP extreme?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Some other opinion

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  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    So they can switch places, since the Palestinians will also want to be left alone and the Israelis will not practice terrorism.
     
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  3. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    it never right to make a second wrong for a first.
     
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  5. Clucky Registered Senior Member

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    The land is made a UN mandate whereby the Israeli government is phased out and a new Palestinian democracy, phased in. Israeli's are given Palastinian citizenship if they wish, or accepted as refugees around the world, should they so wish. As citizens, they also have the right to govern this land. The Jews and Palastinians will eventually become unrecognizable, and the peace will eventually lead to inter-breeding, so, theoretically, it would become hard to discern the "race" of an individual. Perhaps a little like Brazil's muti-ethnic culture. In this way, everybody gets their land and former conflict will be forgotten, eventually. The UN will assure proceedings are efficient and fair.

    At least in an ideal world...
     
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  7. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    That can't happen due to your #4, which precludes one group leaving the other alone.
     
  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Not at all. Anyone is free to leave.
     
  9. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    How about crush a kids skull and killing the kid, is there a qualitative difference between that? Was Samir Kuntar fighting for freedom?
     
  10. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    James: You did not disagree, but instead tried to explain away such killing as mere "collateral damage".

    But this is exactly what it is called when american bombs hurt women or children or the innocent. I didn't read into her statement that it is right for children to get killed, I read it as this is what happens in a war zone...children will naturally get killed. Note the Israelis use the same argument when palestinian children get hit...accident, collateral damage etc. etc.
     
  11. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    But you want them put all together in the absense of any reconciliation or political settlement. You just want Israel to dissapear as an entity, something that millions of people contributed trillions of dollars to in investment and time. That destruction might make you happy, but it also makes you extreme.
     
  12. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Genetically the Jews and Palestinians are the same race, well at the very least the Mizrahim jews. You can breed religion together.

    How about UN just make the surrounding countries with Palestinian refugees make then full citizens? That would be cheaper and it would still undo an existing wrong as these countries also disenvow and segregate the Palestinians.
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Or when Australians shoot children

    http://www.theage.com.au/world/australian-troops-kill-5-afghan-children-20090213-874z.html

    NATO could take care of the Israelis and ensure a smooth transition. They have plenty of experience now.
     
  14. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Americans admit those are wrong, or citizen picket the soldiers and call them baby killers. Palestinians celebrate when a terrorist intentionally blows him self up on a bus, or a school, etc. they call a man that kills a child with his bare hands a hero.
     
  15. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Not NATO, but only the Palestinians can ensure that they give up trying to kill Israelis.
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I'm sure NATO will be happy to hang around a couple of decades until all is well.
     
  17. Clucky Registered Senior Member

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    Because, at least in my opinion the Palastinian people deserve their land back, and want it much more so.

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  18. Gustav Banned Banned

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    more!
    more stinking strawmen please!
     
  19. Gustav Banned Banned

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    duh duh duh?
    duh duh!
    duh, duh duh duh duh!
     
  20. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    I might agree with that, but that does not justify such actions.

    I'll assume that means you agree to your hypocrisy.

    What a strawman about it?
     
  21. Clucky Registered Senior Member

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    Then we have to ask ourselves the price of justice.

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  22. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    the loss of morality and degradation to animalism is not a worthy price.
     
  23. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Electricfetus: Americans admit those are wrong, or citizen picket the soldiers and call them baby killers. Palestinians celebrate when a terrorist intentionally blows him self up on a bus, or a school, etc. they call a man that kills a child with his bare hands a hero.

    The difference is that it is U.S bombs or U.S troops that are creating collateral damage when their own citizens are out of harms way. In other words American citizens are not under direct attack from any foreign enemy in a direct war, this makes it easy to picket against vietnam etc and take on the moral stance of right vs. wrong. When someone's bombs, whether they be Palestinian or Israeli or what-have-you is raining down upon the head of you and your children the EMOTIONAL response is that of anger and revenge. There are jews and palestinians alike who disagree with the killing.

    You should watch Waltz With Bashir, its a great Israeli animated docu/film on this very issue.
     

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