Not an issue of morality - gay marriage, prostitution, etc

I admit there's certainly a lot of incarceration in the U.S. Sure it's bad. But is it worse then the rest of the world on average? I don't think so. Which is why people tend to immigrate to the U.S. and other western countries, instead of western countries immigrating to 3rd world countries.

 

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Its not just worse on average. It is the absolute worst of all nations. It doesn't get worse than us. Go USA! The one thing we are still first at is putting people in jail.

People immigrate to the US mainly out of greed and they discount the risks like people do every where, especially when being greedy.

 

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You're right; I misworded what I was trying to say. While the U.S. may have the highest incarceration rate, however, people keep on immigrating to it. That, I believe, demonstrates that its good qualities outweigh its bad by a large margin.

I don't think the only reason they come is because they're greedy; far from it. Many come to earn enough to support families back in their native country, for instance. Others come because there are certain freedoms in western societies that simply don't exist in other societies.

 

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You might want to remeber that many nations around the world simply kill or mutilate criminals so I think perhaps our system might not be as flawed as people think.

I agree that prostitution should be legalized, regulated, and taxed. It would completely eliminate the most violent aspects of it. I agree drug possession for private use should be decriminalized, the offender should have to go to rehab and work off the cost of rehab as well.

Now those who still try to pimp or sell drug that should still be illegal. Pimps should not be allowed and drugs should be avaialble only in certain type of facilitiies where OD's can be handled.

 

By whom? And I think that should be left to the free market. The government has no right to invade on our decisions

Nobody should "have to" do anything

 

I have qualms with forced rehab, whether it's for alcohol or for any other drug. However, the fact of the matter is that right now, it's pretty dang hard to get into rehab at all; it should be a free service, not something that you have to pay through the nose for or wait even a day for.

 

What i mean is the girls should have to get regular blood screening and be registered only in that they 18+. Taxed would be like paying your income tax is all.

Under current system they go to prison, at least with rehab they only have to stay a short period and they aren;t required to participate.

 

Yeah! We should forget about morals and laws and just enforce...
Wait, why was the National Guard sent to the south?

 

Not perhaps the only one, but a very, very common one.

thanks for making my point.

 

OBVIOUSLY I don't understand what you mean or WHY you're asking.

 

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Have you looked into how we treat our prisoners?

But be that as it may there is no country, not Russia, not Cuba, not China, not Iran, no body puts more of their people in jail. And you think that's not a flaw for a supposedly free nation?!

Just what would be a flaw then? Gitmo? Torturing prisoners? Disappearing people? Oops, already got those.

 

Well, think about it for a moment! The very freedoms that we have are exactly, precisely, the reason that there's so much crime ....we're given the freedoms to commit the crimes. That's not true in many other nations of the world.

The amount of individual freedom is the very cause of increased crime. Which, of course, causes the increase in arrests and convictions ...AFTER the individual has USED his freedoms to commit the crimes!

Baron Max

 

Have any evidence to support that assertion?

Helping others isn't greed. Quite the opposite, in fact.

 

You stated: I think the current system "works" about 3% as well as needed.


My question is simply, needed for what? You to feel happy?

 

The main reason for immigration has long been economic opportunity, the lure of better land or a better job. During the 1800's, for example, the rich prairie land of the United States attracted many European farmers. Today, professional people commonly emigrate because of better opportunities elsewhere. Such emigration has sometimes been called brain drain. Many doctors and nurses and numerous engineers and scientists have moved to the United States. (Source: The Golden Door and Land of the Free, pp. 42-43).

There greed is for noble ends, but they still are looking for an easier buck here.

 

Have you never left the US? We are by no means the top of the first world stak in anything but incarceration. Also we obviously DON"T have the freedom to commit crimes or people wouldn't be getting thrown in jail.

Portugese, for example, have the freedom to do illegal drugs and NOT be thrown in jail. That is freedom.

You really are a dumbass.

 

We are not given freedom to commit crimes.

 

WHAT is the system needed for in the 1st place?

 

Oh, sure we are!! You can walk down to the store, buy a gun, buy ammo, go over to your neighbors house and shoot him dead. Who would stop you if you didn't go blabbing it out in a verbal threat? Cops can't do anything UNTIL the crime is completed. Fear of punishment is the only deterrent.

Baron Max