Why? You get to read it before you sign it. If you don't like it you don't sign. Same as any other job. I've turned down jobs because I didn't like the contract, I've rewritten a contract I didn't like and then signed it. Loss of pay isn't punishment? Depends on what the contract you signed of your own free will states. As Far As I Know.
I don't find it the same with the military. Remember, the military preys on the stupid and manipulates people by appealing to their indoctrination. Loss of pay is loss of reward, not a punishment. If I don't do something and don't get paid for it, I'm not being punished, I'm simply not being rewarded. And no you can't quit, if you do they arrest you.
That would explain why they like to take on graduates then... And in the army you still get paid but you get the punishment. Swings and roundabouts. You don't like it you don't sign up. It's a free choice. Untrue. I have several acquaintances that just quit one day and bought themselves out.
First post here Norsefire is an idealist and can visualize word government. A future time when the entire resources of the planet are best utilized making things like starships, While Oli, who does appear to be intimidatingly competent, and weed eater guy are more realistic. Sorry to jump in here but this is my first post and introduction to this forum. For the record I agree with Norsefire, but his notion of common sense is thirty five years in the future.
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Why wouldn't they want talented servants? It's influenced by indoctrination, however. And furthermore, the military turns twisted men into even more twisted men. In the US it doesn't work that way; nor in much of the world, unfortunately. Actually I visualize a time when men can live uncoerced and free, and voluntarily exchange and have freedom to live as they please. Laissez-Faire Oli certainly is competent. I don't know much about weed eater. As I said, I don't oppose collective (and voluntary) defense forces. i.e, I don't oppose militias.
The fact that they take on graduates sort of negates your point that: Indoctrination? Where and when? Then don't generalise. Why thanks, Norse. Militias? Consistently less disciplined and more likely to go on the rampage than most militaries.
Only not-so-smart people join the military as enlisted men. Joining as an officer makes more sense, but even then you are a tool for your superiors. Pledges, anthems, vows, "serve the state", "die for your country" And all that rubbish O'course dear sirPlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Not true at all.
All of which come AFTER you've signed, neh? Well, the ones that do come... I suspect you're applying USA = the world again. I think you'll find from a study of history, especially that minor sub-section called military history, that it is true. Militias generally are ill-disciplined and little more than armed rabble, especially if they win a fight - looting, rapine, pillage...
Of course it is this way in all of the world. All militaries require these tools in order to give their fighters passion. Except, it's a lie; it's a false passion, a passion for the wrong kind of thing. The only true passion is egotistical passion and passion for those you care about. i.e, personal passion. It depends on why a militia was formed. The US militias that fought the English during the revolutionary war were not guilty of such things.
Really? In the UK there is no pledge, the second verse of our national anthem, as everyone knows, is "ner ner ner ner" because no one can ever remember the words, the vows to "serve the state" come AFTER enlisting, and "die for your country" gets knocked out of you in the first English class when you read Wilfred Owen. Hmm, in the UK we rely on thinking professionalism rather than passion, every time. And we're carefully reserved over, as befits Englishmen, You do know what the word "generally" means, don't you?
So there are still vows to serve the state. And wow, here in the US the fascism is so powerful I never said passion was bad. Just that type of passion. Personal, self passion is not bad, it is part of being human and is the driving force behind art.
From what I remember it's "defend" here, not serve. And soldiering isn't an art? Hmmm, I know quite a few guys who'd disagree with that.
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