Star Wars vs Star Trek

actually Data and Geordi found a way to stabilise it and they adapted it for use on the Enterprise. the only reason why it was not used by the feds later on was because of that silly treaty.
now, phasers being space-time inflencing beams might have some effect on the phased ship, but phased ships are very difficult to detect and they can hide inside other ships or celestial bodies.

 

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the fastest torpedoes i can recall were in early TNG. they were never FTL unless the ship was already in warp.the slowest torpedoes were the quatums in FC (if we exclude the plasma tracking torpedo from ST VI).

 

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Quantums are just as fast as photons, as one would easily expect.

And we have seen Photons fired at high-warp, right? And they travel away from the ship and hit a target in front of it, right?

So we can safely assume Photons and Quantums are FTL

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BTW - easy way for ST to rape SW and WH40K - Chroniton Torpedoes... kinda unfair when you have a weapon that'll travel thru TIME to bypass shields and armor, no?

 

Oh! The Borg, of course!

 

Actually phased ships are still affected by and exert gravity so for SW they would be INCREDIBLY easy to detect.

 

Actually the Enterprse was fleeing at top speed, so shields might have been on but definately not full as at top speed the ship can barely run warp, SIF, life support, Sesors and basic shield. Also Picard was in the middle of ordering a slow down and rasing of the shields when shinzons attack struck.

Actually i am sure that after a while weak spots in enemy vessels do become known. Just most of the time your firing from the hip and can;t pinpoint what you need. Kinda like everyone knows that the best place to hit a man to kill him is the head, but 99% of the time we aim center mass for convience.

As for SW sensor technologies, they are far superior to ST. In AOTC Obi-Wan was able to detetc the gravity of a hidden star system by analyzing the behaviour of surrounding starsystems, Later he is able with a fighter to detect that Anakin in on on Naboo, but is on Tatooine.

 

a thx didn't knew that. How did they do that?

but if ST is only in our Milkyway then warp 9 can't hardly be as fast as some claim.
Isn't Voyager in de Delta Quadrant ? the why the hell can't it find his way home when they are at a place we know today. doesn't say much about ST scanners.

 

Yet voyager can't get home to a location allreaddy known today. Their scanner can't detect a pair of constallations to pinpoint earth in our milkyway.

damn i'm gonna regret this

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i agree with kitt on this one. it would make no sence as for Quantums being slower than photons. but then again it isn't that fast is it

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as for torps travelling away from the ship it would be logical because the way you explained warp to me. you are compressing space making the distance smaller not the ship faster. so if the torp can sustain warp it is infact going faster than the ship. but then again if you fly at warp 7 fire a torpedo and your enemy accelarates to warp 9 your torp is still useless. Hell if you accelarate yourself you fly into your own torps.
to bad the ent-e was flying at max. had they been at warp 8 and Shinzon fired they could have accalerated to warp 9 making the torps to slow.



damn ST is loosing ground fast.

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trapped in a asteroid???? it must have been hollow then. if not what happend with the matter. it had to go somewhere, if your shield are strong enough you basicly would spit that asteroid.

if you are in a other dimention then how can phasers hit you ?? following you in your slipstream?

 

Uhm, no...

If this is true, why couldn't Han tell the difference between the Death Star and, say, a moon?

Pretty big difference if I'm not mistaken... including, you know, power readings, life signs, et al? The fact that it's, I don't know... HOLLOW?

 

No, they aren't... again, if they were why is it that

A) The Falcon was able to hide on the Hull of a Star Destroyer and they couldn't see them, then was able to detach and float away in their own garbage? I mean, I know the falcon is a piece of shit... but there's still life signs, functional life support (and thus power fluctuations), and... well, I guess it does look like garbage, doesn't it... but... why couldn't they, you know, look out a fucking window?

B) After detaching, the falcon waited only a short time before powering up and leaving... which tells me that either A) The SD doesn't have aft sensors at all (big blind spot) or B) they have pathetic sensor range.

C) Again, the DS2... the rebels didn't even KNOW it was FUNCTIONAL... as was shown on screen by the fact that when it obliterated one of their ships they were all like "Woah, shit, what?" and were ready to run like rabbits...

D) Sensors were, of course, not perfect. Not only could they fail to detect what they should or present false "ghost" images, they could be interfered with by natural phenomena like solar radiation, hydrogen clouds, asteroid fields, and potent gravity wells; and by artificial phenomena such as sensor jammers, sensor decoys, shield camouflage, stealth technology, and, of course, cloaking devices.

E) Why is it, that if R2D2's sensors can be used to try to find a person lost in a HUGE FOREST, he can't seem to detect stormtroopers walking up to the room he's in? Or the Battle Droids? Or anyone for that matter?

F) Finally... and this one confuses me... if Star Wars sensors and Jedi Senses are so great... why did they need R2D2 to deliver the plans on the Death Star... why not simply scan it? Or use Jedi perception? Oh, wait, because, sadly for you, they don't work like the fanboy wank you read in books!

That's right! The books don't agree with the Movies, and, too bad for you, the movies override the books. And the movies say Star Wars relies HEAVILY on VISUAL target location, identification, verification, and tracking. Like the Turrets on the Falcon, the TL's on the SD's, dogfighting in fighter craft, et al.

 

Actually, most starships are fully functional at warp - you have to remember, the Ent-E is still semi-experimental, regenerative shielding IS experimental (and very power hungry) and the heavier phaser emitters use more energy as well.

Plus, you don't need shields or weapons in Hyperspace... as you can't fight in hyperspace. Safe to assume then that weapons, sublight, and shields are offline once the jump to hyperspace is made... right?

 

No... that's not exactly how it works.

Torpedo's are able to accelerate to higher warp speeds. The problem is crossing the threshold between Sublight and Warp. I mean, torpedo's have to be able to accelerate as they move faster the further they get from the ship, as evidenced on screen

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The thing is, the asteroid was severely fucked up from being in the area of the phase cloak for so long... and it was so large that, what happened was, it sucked the phase-cloaked ship inside of it because, and I'm going on memory here, while phase cloaked, the engines weren't able to do anything as they weren't pushing on anything in this dimension.

As for why they didn't blow it up - again, it wasn't really stable enough to try that without potentially destroying both ships.

Finally, phasers are semi-phased as well, hence PHASed Energy Rectification

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They were screwing around in the asteroid when the phasing cloak malfunctioned. They never really explained what went wrong.

They said it would take all the Enterprise's torps to destroy it, but they didn't want to because the guy in charge of the mission wanted to get the phasing cloak back. It was the only one they had, and he didn't want to lose its secrets. Which argues against the federation having the technology.

So far ZERO races from ST have demonstrated a working phase cloak that's able to opperate without screwing up and destroying the ship it's installed on. The Romulan device didn't work right either.

 

They made it work in the end... and the TransPhasic torps do it... I don't think it'll take long to get it onto a ship now

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and how is that?

P.S. even detecting them would be usless if you can't shoot them.

 

1. this actualy makes sense. you don't always gave the luxury of critical strikes.

2. i'm sure there are better examples of SW sensor superiority. the case as presented in Ep II is no great feat. even we have bean doing that for at least 20 years.