Is China the next threat?

Discussion in 'World Events' started by 1119, Dec 27, 2002.

  1. adam2314 Registered Senior Member

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    China expands !!.. India with also almost a billion people will object.. Could solve the population problem..
     
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  3. cornelius Registered Senior Member

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    GB-GIL,
    The communism was from his inception (Marx) an political movement designed to insure a very tight control of an minority, over a huge majority. Aside the cheap demagogy (pleasant to the uneducated masses), was a very serious affair, which in order to conserve his power, was constantly inciting to the class warfare, keeping his subjects into a permanent state of alert. In this way, they (the subjects) were busy fighting imaginary battles (against the class enemies), not paying attention to the abuses and excesses of the top of the Party (including the sourounding camarilla). All the initial and latter leaders, Lenin, Trotky, Kamenev, et Co. , latter Stalin and Kaganovich, were responsable for crimes against the russian people, of a genocidal size. None of them was elected, and their life style was of an imense luxury, while the russian people was starving -by design, in order to be controlled- to death. Ceka was employed as a tool to protect this group, under the pretext of fighting an imaginary war against "people's enemies. She was the the police and the judge at the same time, having power for summary excutions. Lenin was the first to design and implement the terror as a tool for controlling the masses, learning from the French Revolution of late 1790's. All of them are -even post mortem- quilty of mass killings of their subjects (=russian people), of proportions unmatched in the whole human history (approx. 40 milions in Russia alone, 15 milions in Ukraine, etc.). Through the 3rd Internationale, they were also able to forment "revolutions" in other countries, and to use the members as a biggest known in history nework of spies. The goal was to expend (=export) the turmoil named revolution, using exactly the same basic methods (slightly modified from country to country) as in Russia (the test bed). At the start of the 2nd WW, the Red Army outnumbered the German Army (allready engaged on the Western Front) to a ratio of cca. 10:1 in human capacity and weapons.
     
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  5. Vortexx Skull & Bones Spokesman Registered Senior Member

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    I am with Joeman here, if you look at their history they are isolationaists and not expansionists.

    Also it was us in the past, the west that time after time tried to colonize them, this has given them a healthy "what the hell you think you are doing here?" attitude...

    The were communist, but only in name, they never really listened to moscow, chinas agenda is china.

    We should welcome their opening market, 1 billion consumers are waiting to buy our products, with the rise of economy, democracy will slowly replace the decaying leftovers of communist bureaucratism
     
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  7. cornelius Registered Senior Member

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    Vortexx,
    Where will be made "our" products? here or there? And whom will make money of this deal? the unemployed american labor force, or the financial groups (which are behind any Company)?From bussiness point of view, yes it is huge market, but the products they will buy from "us" will also be made there, in China (cheaper labor cost). Next, assuming that this market economy is good, what we will do after we will saturate this market? Our economic system is design for short term only, and for maximum profits in the shortest time; any social aspect being intentionally ignored.
     
  8. felix Registered Senior Member

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    Did you know that there are some extremely startling similarities between the way the US government is behaving right now and the way the Third Reich behaved prior to WWII?

    The Bush Administration is the one that needs to be checked before the WHOLE WORLD decides that AMERICA is the next threat of Global Domination.
     
  9. Vortexx Skull & Bones Spokesman Registered Senior Member

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    So basically, Cornelius, what the US really fear is China not to physically and millitary dominate the world, but you REALLY fear that Chiina would become the NR # 1 economy instead and at the cost of america....

    And I thought Americans were so proud about the free market (as long as it suits them)
     
  10. 1119 Registered Senior Member

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    I agree with Vortexx. Historically, China has always been isolationist rather than expansionist. Most of their conflicts have been internal - dynasty vs dynasty, warlords vs warlords, communist vs kuomintang, except in the late 19th/early 20th century when they had had to face Western and Japanese colonism.

    As for fearing communism will advance along with China's growth, one has to bear in mind that China does not equal communism. China has not always been communist. It had been feudal, capitalist, colony and whatever you might call a country that's run by factions of warlords. The Chinese has always been pragmatic and entreprenual in nature. Most of the Chinese immigrants who are scattered all over the world are involved in one kind of business or another.

    That is why I don't think a communist economy system will suit them in the long run. Just look at the way they are opening their markets. At the rate they are going, very soon communism will remain just in name.
     
  11. cornelius Registered Senior Member

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    They are no more communist than us; stricto sensu, the term communism do not mean anything, being a label attached in this case on a political regime which achieve the power through violence, being by far opposed by the great majority of any populations affected (russians first). Again it is a slogan, an empty word. The chinese government, is keeping the name only for the sake of consistency, but they are intelligent enough not to believe anymore in this abberation (assuming that they believe in it). Also, they do have a long history, and seems to learn from it.
     
  12. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    don't believe China
    they are extremists
    I wouldn't trust China and I think you are not fully aware how their people think - they'll do anything their government says and they'll believe anything their government tells
     
  13. 1119 Registered Senior Member

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    Avatar, if that is true, then Tianamen Square would not have happened, would it?
     
  14. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    I'm talking about the majority here
    my sis has had plenty of talks with chinese
     
  15. felix Registered Senior Member

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    I think you're more correct than you realize. Marx created the idea of communism, and his idea was NOTHING like the reality of China or the Soviet Union or any other county that has ever been called "communist".

    Communism has ALWAYS just remained in name.

    It's just been called communist for lack of a better term.
     
  16. Clockwood You Forgot Poland Registered Senior Member

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    Of course now the playing field has changed. Now the assorted countries of the world are the warlord analogues. They are relativly stable on the inside so of course they will look to see how they may better themselves on the outside.
     
  17. Peterr Registered Member

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    Well it's just an exception,most of the Chinese people are just like what avatar had said,
    They would do anything their goverment told them to,and those stupid and poor guys always trust in what goverment tells.

    The only reason why those damn things happen is that Chinese goverment always say that they would give people rights that no other country can do,and China is the Largest country the most powerful country the most comfortable place and...blablabla

    If you ask Chinese about such things ,most of them would say so for sure!!

    And Chinese goverment had done many things to prevent people from knowing the truth.

    That's the fact!
     
  18. Dr Lou Natic Unnecessary Surgeon Registered Senior Member

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    I can't see how blowing up china could be a bad thing...
     
  19. bryboru Registered Member

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    You can't see how blowing up China would be a bad thing!!!! What sort of an inhumane, war mongering freak are you??? This whole pre-emptive strike idea is very, very scary!!!!
     
  20. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    The whole idea of imposing the democratic view upon the world is quite an interesting one, although I do not believe that enforcing it by means of war is the way to go. One should merely isolate any country which doesn't meet certain criteria. No trade, no diplomatic exchanges, no nothing. If all 'democratic' countries would form an alliance with the strict rule only to deal with other members of this alliance then watch how many other countries would be willing to join this union. This would be where the money is. It would be entirely detrimental not to be part of the alliance.

    Of course this would never work, because it would mean that we have to make sacrifices and no politician would dare to propose sacrifices to the people.
     

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