Would there be Nazi university student activist groups instead ?

Communists, overall, are morally right.

Fascists, overall, are morally wrong.

If you are not happy with those, then feel free to visit communist forums and defend your ideas there.

 

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So far none of the people defensive of Communism (in this thread) have been able to answer this question, that the thread's about :

"If the U.S. public were brainwashed the opposite of what they are now, and students were taught politically the opposite, do you think student activist groups would be the opposite too ?
Instead of pro-Communist university student groups, would we see pro-Nazi university student groups ?"

 

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The opposite of communism isn't Nazism, it's the Neo-Cons. There are ostensibly pro-fascist groups in the US, we call them Republicans.

 

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Fascism is a radical authoritarian nationalist ideology focused on solving economic, political, and social problems that its supporters see as causing national decline or decadence.Fascists aim to create a single-party state in which the government is led by a dictator who seeks unity by requiring individuals to subordinate self-interest to the collective interest of the nation or a race.
Fascist governments permanently forbid and suppress all criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement. Fascist movements oppose any ideology or political system that gives direct political power to people as individuals rather than as a collective nation or race (democracy, individualism, liberalism); that is deemed detrimental to national identity and unity

Doesn't sound like the Republican Party to me, more like the Nazis.

So once again, can any of you answer this :
"If the U.S. public were brainwashed the opposite of what they are now, and students were taught politically the opposite, do you think student activist groups would be the opposite too ?
Instead of pro-Communist university student groups, would we see pro-Nazi university student groups ?"

 

Exactly, Republicans.

 

Since that's obviously not true, it's not worth discussing with you.

 

qft!

 

Not true spidey. as far as i am aware there has never been a communist society\government. unless it is small scale commune, which has nothing to do with this discussion.

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=define:communism&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

 

Fascism

-is a radical authoritarian nationalist ideology

...The Neo-con Republicans were/are authoritarian and nationalistic.

-focused on solving economic, political, and social problems that its supporters see as causing national decline or decadence.

...They blame most of our problems on moral/religious decline.

-Fascists aim to create a single-party state in which the government is led by a dictator who seeks unity by requiring individuals to subordinate self-interest to the collective interest of the nation or a race.

...The Neo-Cons seek to create a single-party state in which the president holds unprecedented power, and seeks unity by requiring individuals to subordinate self-interest (privacy, right not to be tortured) for the collective interest (fighting terrorism).

Fascist governments permanently forbid and suppress all criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement.

...The Neo-cons forbid protests and oppressed the opposition by limiting their free speech, by leaving their views out of mainstream media, by accusing the opposition of being anti-American, by calling them terrorists.

-Fascist movements oppose any ideology or political system that gives direct political power to people as individuals rather than as a collective nation or race (democracy, individualism, liberalism); that is deemed detrimental to national identity and unity .

...The Neo-Cons engaged in voter suppression and intimidation, culling of voter roles, limiting machines in Democratic areas.

-Doesn't sound like the Republican Party to me, more like the Nazis.

...indeed, it is sad how similar they are.

 

Exactly how are\were they nationalistic? Ever hear of outsourcing?

 

The obsession with flag pins, the conflation of criticism about civil rights with siding with terrorists, the conflation of criticism about the US at all as "hating America". The unilateral decision making, the demonization of countries like France as "anti-American"...

 

you cannot be serious.

 

How is "outsourcing" not nationalistic, in the fascist sense of nationalism - i.e. the good of the military/industrial elite of a particular nation?

The confusion of NAZI political ideology with fascism in general is easy to understand, but misleading. Contrasting communism with Nazism is comparing a general kind with a specific instance.

So we wouldn't necessarily look for Nazi student groups, but for fascist student groups. And there are plenty of examples of those, most obviously the College Republicans under Jack Abramoff's leadership.

 

Of course outsourcing is not nationalistic because it helps another nation and their inhabitants. In ideal circumstances both nations or specifically the ones involved benefit.

Nazi's were not fascists, at least fascist ideology was not even close to being a motivating factor.

 

Outsourcing is just about the same as the widespread Nazi use of slave labor.

 

Nazism

1. Officially National Socialism
2. Nazism was not a monolithic movement, but rather a combination of various ideologies and groups.

 

The label national socialism isn't a valid refutation of Nazism as fascism. They often used words that meant the opposite of what they seem to mean, just like the Neo-cons.

 

That ranks within the top five dumbest things i have ever heard on sciforums and that is saying a lot. I am not a fan of outsourcing either.

 

That is what they called themselves and i have to say that is how they started out as.

 

It had no relation to real socialism, in fact the communists were their greatest enemy.