Fourteen Children

Discussion in 'Politics' started by elte, Jan 30, 2009.

  1. elte Valued Senior Member

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    I agree on such potential peril. But right now we are basing the future of people on many vanishing things: on fertilizer derived from petroleum that is drying up, on food gotten from land that is eroding away, again on food from sea life that is becoming scarce or extinct, and on devices from metals that are becoming mined-out. The greater the population load on the planet becomes, the greater becomes the danger of some human-caused factor tripping the planet's ecology into some kind of death spiral.

    In West Virginia, whole mountains are literally flattened to mine enough coal to produce electricity. Eventually nothing is going to be left. It absolutely cannot keep going ways like that. It is better to more gently reduce population by stopping human conception than by widespread deadly suffering.

    However, your concern is real, corruption would have to be guarded against. But, we have that now already, anyway. What we've not had, but are on the verge of, are famine and hunger on a scale like humankind has never experienced.
     
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  3. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Is this a mental illness like hoarding?
     
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  5. elte Valued Senior Member

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    It could be a type of compulsive behavior.

    However, the news about the mother being near the completion of a masters degree shows considerable mental discipline. The theory of her planning the multiple births as a tool to aid in becoming rich and famous looks plausible.
     
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  7. Medicine*Woman Jesus: Mythstory--Not History! Valued Senior Member

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    M*W: In Texas they do. There are people who are specially trained to foster newborns, but that doesn't necessarily mean the foster parents will be able to adopt the foster infant. However, if it has already been established that the newborn will go for adoption, oftentimes the adoptive parents will take it immediately after the birth. I don't know why there should be a shortage of adoptive parents for a newborn. It's the older kids that are harder to place. The whole premise for foster parents is that CPS aims to reunite the foster child/children with the natural parents if possible. If that's not possible, the children will be put up for adoption, but unfortunately this can take years.
     
  8. zanket Human Valued Senior Member

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    Of course. Just like someone who wants a car should be thinking ahead about how they'll pay for it.

    SNL Skit: Don't Buy Stuff You Can't Afford

    Parents should think about it before getting pregnant. It's okay for them to not be making enough money initially, if they are upwardly mobile, with education and ambition. Responsible people don't have kids until it's obvious that, barring an accident or something, they're far enough into their careers that the money will likely be there when needed. That's typically in their late 20s or early 30s.
     
  9. zanket Human Valued Senior Member

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    "Octuplets’ mother wants Oprah to turn her into a $2m TV star"

    That didn't take long. Disgusting. Any company that helps her should be boycotted. Otherwise there will be more octuplet moms who won't get the sponsorships and the children or public will suffer.
     
  10. elte Valued Senior Member

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    A criminal investigation may be warranted. She may be gambling to get rich, and maybe famous, as well.

    I remember a news story of two old ladies plotting a murder to get an insurance payout. That was a very complicated, premeditated crime involving an intricate relationship with a homeless man, whom they ran over with a car.
     
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  11. swivel Sci-Fi Author Valued Senior Member

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    Poor people should have as many kids as they want, as long as they are comfortable with the miserable lives their kids will have if they have more than they can reasonably care for.

    What I don't get is why only rich people get to own a Porsche. Driving a Porsche is such an incredibly rewarding experience, I think everyone should get to experience the thrill. And no, I don't think it should depend on how hard you work, or how hard your parents worked, it should just be a human right for all of us to be as happy as we can be. Perfectly equal. Smart people should take stupid pills, and we should maim the faces of pretty people. And if that quadriplegic asks nicely, we should lop the arms and legs off of everyone else, just so they feel more OK with the world. This is what I think.
     
  12. zanket Human Valued Senior Member

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    I read about a couple with 2 kids where the husband makes ~$25K and the wife is a super good housewife, esp. with the budget. The kids were well taken care of, it seemed. It takes a lot of planning and skill but it can be done. Most $25K families are probably trailer trash, not to demean everyone living in a trailer.
     
  13. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    So, who would step up and take the bold step of curtailing our liberties ?
     
  14. zanket Human Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, when the adoption is not pre-arranged, the newborn will go to foster care initially, because it takes time to vet the match-up between newborn & family. But that's a paperwork issue; it need only take a few days if the family is already vetted. This octoplets' mom should lose her newborns immediately and adoptions done speedily as it should be for any newborn. She's shown that she had them without the financial ability to care for them now, and for potential monetary gain--an unfit mother for sure. This is CA though, so she'll probably make her $millions and the public there will shoulder the burden for the next thousand kids while women go for litters of 9, 10, whatever it takes to hit the jackpot.
     
  15. elte Valued Senior Member

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    I expect that as average quality of life deteriorates, a severe restriction on embryo formation will become a common national policy in countries throughout the world like laws against theft are already.
     
  16. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    what criminal charges could she face? What law has been broken?
    Its not illegal to be stupid.
     
  17. vslayer Registered Senior Member

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    who the fuck decided it would be a good idea to let a woman on welfare with six kids get IVF? congratulations dick-arse, now your fellow workers have to support another 8 kids that are going to be raised thinking that sort of retardation is acceptable.

    i would start with welfare fraud. she had a voluntary medical procedure knowing full well that - being on welfare - the state would end up paying for.
     
  18. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    so then could you charge every person on welfare who has unprotected sex and gets pregnant with welfare fraud?
     
  19. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    just curious, why is this in politics?

    Anyways, is it possible she only had 2-3 embryos implantged but since she was also taking fertility drugs, they kept dividing and she had sets of twins/triplets?
     
  20. Dark520 Rebuilt Registered Senior Member

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    If she had, then she would have had 2-3 sets of identical (monozygotic) twins, which I don't see any report of. Also, I don't believe that fertility drugs (correct me if I'm wrong) affect how the embryo splits as it is developing.

    So anyway, I guess the answer to your question is no, it is not possible.

    Edit: And oh, in response to your first question: maybe if the debate introduced was, "Should she be allowed to sustain 14 children off of welfare/the government? (which i believe shes on)" then Politics might be somewhat appropriate.
     
  21. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    They should have just microwaved a few of those fetuses to feed their existing kids....
     
  22. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, well. I guess she could have ovulated at the same time, creating more babies, but she supposedly wasn't having sex, so those eggs wouldn't have been fertilized.
     
  23. zanket Human Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe because Republicans cheer whenever a record for # of kids is broken, no matter how asinine that is.
     

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