White holes being new universes?

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by Betrayer0fHope, Dec 28, 2008.

  1. Betrayer0fHope MY COHERENCE! IT'S GOING AWAYY Registered Senior Member

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    I understand the idea, but can someone tell me how the whole thing is supposed to work? Sorry for such a broad request, but I have no idea where to start asking questions as my knowledge is so limited in this, and many other, fields.
     
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  3. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    I thought they were only science fiction and were the beginning of a worm hole.:shrug:
     
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  5. Boris2 Valued Senior Member

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  7. John Connellan Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not sure scientists believe white holes really exist do they? White holes were conceived as part of the vacuum solution to the Einstein field equations and are one end of the Schwarzschild wormhole.

    They are a theoretical construct but they do violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
     
  8. Betrayer0fHope MY COHERENCE! IT'S GOING AWAYY Registered Senior Member

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    I'm aware of several theoretical physicists who believe in such things.
     
  9. John Connellan Valued Senior Member

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    Well, I think black holes are now considered given and they are not just theories - it is now even standard amonst many astronomers that there is one at the center of our galaxy. I know there are many physicists who believe that white holes might be out there but they will also admit that this footing is not as strong as that for black holes and for the time being, they are only believeing theories.
     
  10. kaneda Actual Cynic Registered Senior Member

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    I think it was John Taylor who three decades ago wrote a book about white holes, being at the other end of black holes (via a wormhole). White holes give out incredible amounts of energy which has to come from somewhere. If from black holes, there would probably be none left by now. Wormholes probably do not exist.
     
  11. Betrayer0fHope MY COHERENCE! IT'S GOING AWAYY Registered Senior Member

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    I thought wormholes are possible to create, they just take an unimaginable amount of energy to make?
     
  12. gluon Banned Banned

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    Even if we could create wormholes, we haven't detected exotic matter as of yet that would be required to keep it open for a stable transport.
     
  13. Betrayer0fHope MY COHERENCE! IT'S GOING AWAYY Registered Senior Member

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    Stable transport? I thought travel through wormholes were instantaneous, so why would we even need it to be stable? What would happen if one collapsed while you were passing through it?
     
  14. Dr Mabuse Percipient Thaumaturgist Registered Senior Member

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    Hasn't Mozart been sent through wormholes?
     
  15. gluon Banned Banned

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    Listen, there is a way to create wormhole, but its not easy for one minute, and at last glance, certainly seems inpossible because the amount of energy required would be more than would planet Earth could surely give you without consequence.

    Dr. Michio Kaku, a well renown physicist just completed a series on channel four TV. called ‘Time’, and he was asked to build a time machine.

    His idea was to have a gigantic atom collider, the size of the solar system to accelerate a beam of particles equal to amazing speeds, until it reaches a point called the 'Planck Energy' were space and time become unstable, and a rip can be caused in the fabric of space. This is because the particles focus an intense beam at a certain region in space and time, and the temperatures force the universe to link up with another place in that universe, or if theory is correct, to parallel universes. The wormhole gateway into another time and place would be very small. However, the presence of exotic matter could blow it up to a more reasonable size, fit for a human.

    Wormholes inside of black hole are threaded with this 'antigravity' substance called 'exotic matter.' physicists aren't able to make this in labs today, but, it is believed to be a main proponent in the rapid acceleration of our universe, as it is thought to pervade our universe. One mouth of the wormhole is then taken to a 'Neutron Star.' This is a 'superdense' remnant of a dead star. One spoonful of the material weighs as much as all the cars and vans in the world put together! It will create a high gravitational field - and it is here, time becomes distorted and slowed down.

    Thus, leaving one end of the wormhole at the neutron star, will slow the age of it. Let's say that he left it there until it was a year younger, than the other end. Then, entering very carefully one end of the wormhole, i can come out the other end a year back in the history of the universe. Though, i must stress, as grand as Dr. Michio's idea is, it is still science fiction, and he is aware of this. The amount of energy required is astronomical - in fact, the energy we can produce in colliders today is around a quadrillion time less than what would be required.
     
  16. gluon Banned Banned

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    There is a chance just from an educated guess - that if the wormhole closed on you, your particle would experience a quantum tunnelling back into the vacuum at many different locations, and due to the uncertainty principle, would possible have them \(10^{10}\) light years away in reference to each other particle. So basically, the distorted spacetime that makes the wormhole, would tunnel through spacetime itself in a related fasion, but if it closes on you, your particles are not lost forever, because they would need to respect the Information Principle and its relations to the concepts of the Information Paradox Rule.


    But i will add this is speculation, but with what i know of physics (which is very little), this would make scientific sense.
     
  17. CheskiChips Banned Banned

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    Gluon is trying to say you'd be ripped apart and spit out all over the place. Though his figures and theories don't really support the claim, it's probably what would happen.
     
  18. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Sure... it's more of white holes causing new universes. The idea is that our universe is blip in a larger structure with many more dimensions. A white hole can break the boundaires of our hypthetical 4-d universe and bubble out into some of the dimensions surrounding our universe. Think of a white hole as a cosmic ass that farts into an external universe... but instead of the "gas" disapating, it causes a fart bubble with some of the junk the external universe is made up of.
     
  19. zagacious Registered Member

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    the wormhole could collapse under its own gravity, a traversable wormhole would require negetive energy this would be gravitationally repulsive, this would prevent the wormhole from collapsing. this of course is all hypothesis.
     

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