Aether, mass and gravity in QWC

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  1. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    Wow, it is amazing how many overlaps you get as you expand a four-quantum universe. It is a bit more manageable to do the calculations for a three-quantum universe with aether. Using my equation for the energy content of overlaps of quantum waves and doing calculations by hand with the help of Excel, my three-quantum universe is beginning to take shape, the mass is being maintained and gravity is being emanated.

    Some of the calculations require splitting the spherical caps into spherical segments and I have been doing that in iterations; time consuming

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    . I'm going to look at adding the spherical segment math to the equation. Once I get some clear mass boundaries, a good feel for containment, and a good energy density footprint in the aether it will be time to give the three-quantum mass some momentum (and some companionship). To do that I will add a second mass and they will have relative momentum.

    It should then be easy enough to calculate each quantum action in each mass for a few quantum periods and watch them move through the aether. Or I should say watch the aether lead the mass through it.

    Does anyone understand any of what I just wrote?

    Anyway, HAPPY NEW YEAR

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  3. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    Dense State Energy

    I’m thinking that if the QWC ideas are right about quantum waves and quantum action then there is a state of energy called the “dense” state. It is where matter is compressed by gravity to the extent that matter ceases to function, i.e. particles of matter can’t exist individually.

    In QWC, mass is composed of particles of matter. Particles of matter are composed of energy in quantum increments. When a quantum of energy collapses into a high density spot, that spot is thought to reach the point of “dense state” energy.

    Matter that is compressed into dense state energy no longer exists; only its energy exists. That energy exists as dense state energy. “Dense state” energy has a characteristic called “potential expansion energy”. In order for dense state energy to exert its potential expansion energy the compression that contains it must be defeated.

    In QWC at the universal level where big crunches form, the defeat of the compression of mass into the dense state occurs because when matter no longer functions, gravity no longer functions either. The cessation of gravity allows the potential expansion energy to overcome the compression and “Bang”

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    At the quantum level the defeat of the compression of energy into “dense state” energy is caused by the failure of the surrounding energy density to be able to maintain the compression caused by the quantum collapse. The high density spot bounces off of the “high density threshold” and expands at the same rate as it was collapsing before the bounce.
     
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  5. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    I wrote this elsewhere but since it helps explain why I am working on the QWC protoscience I decided to place it on this thread too:

    Do you "... side with Einstein that QM fails in regards to grasping reality? In fact [do] you think that the uncertainty principle is due to our inability to observe the wave/particle duality sufficiently to realize that there is a precise reality to all particles at all times?"

    QWC is all about that very thing, i.e. there is precise identifiable space for each particle whether it is in the wave state or the particle state.

    And while I'm at it, it might help explain the quantum realm of QWC to reference this post from the Schrödinger's cat thread: http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2141263&postcount=66

    Here is that post: We know a great deal about the quantum world. The last 100 years of the history of the science of quantum mechanics has had turning points where divisions arose and out of those divisions came a form of consensus. The consensus is formed around the uncertainty principle and the wave function.

    This thread and the views brought out are evidence to me that the consensus is the current best thinking but no one is completely comfortable that this thinking is the final version. There is a need for more to be said by quantum mechanics about reality before the nature of reality can be put to rest.

    Reality is a broad subject so I will qualify it by saying that physical reality at the quantum level cannot be determined for certain. However, there is a mathematical approach that works satisfactorily to enable the science to describe particle interactions using the wave function, i.e. all possible locations of the presence of that "point" that would represent a particle location.

    What I get from that is we can live with not knowing exactly where that focus point is at all times as long as we can describe mathematically all of the possibilities. Some say there is no focus point at all until an observation occurs. Observation can take all of the forms mentioned including visual, instrument, particle interactions, or mathematical calculations. Others say that there doesn't have to be any observation to convince them that an object has reality in the form of a physical presence. Some say that a physical presence requires some minimum mass.

    None of us are smart enough to know what quantum reality really is. All of us who take a position on it based on our own individual thought process and our degree of understanding of the science will have a different physical picture. Each of our individual physical pictures will require a thousand words (thousands of words if it is a discussion) to convey our thinking. Few of us in a forum like this have a detailed visualization of the physical picture of our own version of quantum reality and at the same time are willing to discuss why one is right and one is wrong. There is really no way to determine if anyone is right and we all have our reasons for why we think we are right and others are not.

    Here is my thinking in a nutshell (<400 words):

    At the quantum level even the fundamental particles of the standard particle model have a hidden quantum nature. Hidden in that nature is the cause of mass and gravity. Mass and gravity exist independently from electromagnetic fields, charges and forces associated with the standard particle model. Anything, particle or group of particles with mass has a physical presence that is a mix of both waves and particles at the same time. The waves included in that mix overlap to cause particle points (high density spots), and the particle points form and burst into waves. Each wave/particle is either a wave or a particle at any given instant but as long as they are within a given mass they are always in the process of changing from a wave to a particle or from a particle to a wave.

    Each wave/particle represents a quantum of energy and mass is composed of energy in quantum increments. A single quantum of energy will have mass during the "high density spot" phase and that spot will change to reveal its energy content and wave nature as the spot bursts into spherical expansion.

    The spherical waves are expanding waves of energy that overlap with each other as they travel through the mass. In the overlap, the energy from the overlapping waves is the sum of the energy of the individual waves in that overlap space. When the overlap accumulates a quantum of energy then quantum collapse occurs and that quantum of energy collapses into a high density spot. I accept quantum collapse as a natural phenomenon for which I have another thousand words .

    The collapse of the high density spot creates a potential void in space since the spot occupies less space than the overlap from which it formed. Gravity is caused by that collapse as the surrounding energy quanta are pulled into the potential void in space.

    This thousand words touches on my view of the cause of mass and gravity and I am the first to admit that none of it can be proven because we just don't have the ability to observe at this level of quantum mechanics. Some will compare it to speculating about wild creatures at the far reaches of the galaxy, some will dismiss it due to its lack of proper jargon or mathematics, and some will think about it and then dismiss it politely. Some will have something in mind from it that is worth discussing and I am willing to discuss any of it on their thread or mine.

    I would understand if the originator of this thread wanted this post moved and if so, please move it to a new thread in the Cosmology forum where I have been discussing these ideas as part of Quantum Wave Cosmology.

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    absolutely amazing so far
     
  8. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks for the encouragement; now I might have to get busy and say how I show mathematically how a three-quantum mass in aether could maintain its mass and exert gravity.

    It won't prove that mass is caused by quantum action, that gravity "has" mass, or that both are connected to the aether as I have described in this thread. But it will show that if quantum action, mass, gravity and aether work the way I describe, then there is a mathematical relationship between them that I can offer for those of the analytical persuasion.
     
  9. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    Note: This post originally appeared on the General Science Forum "Share ideas about energy ..." thread, and is being deleted there and moved to this thread where it belongs.

    By way of recap, a quantum of energy is the tiniest meaningful quantity of energy. What separates it from the aether and distinguishes it from other quantities of energy is called a force. The force associated with the energy quantum is the tiniest force there is. It is called quantum action.

    Quantum action always occurs when a quantum of energy is established in a quantum-space within the aether.

    Quantum action requires a single quantum of energy. The action is a rapid reduction of space occupied by the quantum of energy (the collapse phase of quantum action). The second phase, the mid-point of the action, is called a high density spot which is made up of the entire quantum of energy after the collapse. The high density spot occupies only a small fraction of the original quantum-space. Expansion is the final phase of quantum action.

    The expansion phase of quantum action that follows the formation of the high density spot phase is initiated when the collapsing energy reaches an unsustainable energy density. The collapse phase compresses the energy tightly into the tiny spot in space. The compression cannot be maintained because the energy density of the surrounding space is much lower and so the energy that was compressed into the spot bounces into expansion.

    The quantum of energy in the expansion phase will expand spherically forever or until the expansion is interrupted, whichever comes first. Interruption is defined as the intersection and overlap of expanding quantum waves so “interruption” occurs whenever more than one quantum of energy occupies a given space.

    Mass is composed of energy in quantum increments and multiple quanta occupy any observable mass.

    Quantum action is repetitive within mass.

    An observer in the path of a stream of the repetitive expanding energy quanta from quantum action generated within mass will experience a rapid pull and push as the sequence of quantum wave forms pass.

    The wave form is a trough of low energy density created when the quantum collapses, followed by a crest of high energy density as the expanding sphere of the energy quantum passes.

    This pull/push action is a continuous stream emanating from mass as quantum action maintains the mass of an object through repetitive action.

    You as an observer would be unaffected by the passing pull-push of quantum waves if it weren’t for the fact that the pull is stronger than the push. The difference in the strength of the pull and the push equals the exact amount of energy it takes to maintain the mass. A portion of the energy from the push is absorbed by the mass, i.e. the quantum waves produced by the quantum action within the mass are interrupted from their otherwise potentially endless journey of expansion.

    The interruption occurs as the expanding wave is caught up in subsequent quantum actions as the wave passes through and out of the mass. This “containment” of energy by mass establishes the presence of the mass and causes the push emanating from mass to be smaller than the pull.

    That is gravity and the strength of the gravitational attraction between the object and observer is directly proportional to the mass of the object and the observer.

    Since the quantum waves expand spherically, the strength of the gravitational force emanating from mass is inversely proportional to the radius of the spherical wave, i.e. the square of the distance.

    This idea about the force of quantum action is the basis of the calculations that represent how multiple energy quanta can form mass, how that mass can be maintained by containment, and how gravity emanates from mass.

    Think about it and if you see any reason why this won’t work let me know your reasoning.
     
  10. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    if the universe started at a single point (hypothetically speaking of course), then from that point everything out there in existence came from that point. OK?

    The sun, a ball, an atom all have a sphere to show itself. If existence is a sphere, then everything within, is associated based on the energy between all that mass exchanging (all them stars, all day long, doing what they do).

    i suggest, that unless there are 2 points of mass, no light (em) can exchange.

    Meaning, no where in existence is there a (perfect) vacuum, no where in existence is there a void between points. And from point A, no matter the vector, there must be a B or no exchange (em) can occur. That means even on the outside of the very edge of the universe; them stars are not lighting up the 'nothing'.... My opinion!

    Now in astronomy they share a cosmic background radiation CBR
    http://astro.u-strasbg.fr/cbr96.html

    this offers and idea that there could be no void anywhere in the existing universe. That even if that energy is not from the BB, it still offers the concept that there could be energy resonating behind everything we see since day one of existence.

    could this be your aether?

    yes or no is fine..... as i wish not to impose on your thread other than to see if the 'possiblility' exists.
     
  11. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    My answer could be “yes” if you let me make a few changes. First change is that the expansion of our known universe is just a small and common event in the greater universe. Then what you say about point A and point B would still be the case, and point A could be in our expanding arena, and point B could be in any one of a potentially infinite number of distant arenas, some expanding out of a big crunch, and some contracting into a big crunch.

    In addition I would add that the energy in your “single point” in space would be changed to “the energy in a big crunch” that preceded the expansion of our known universe. Big crunches would be just as common as the event of expanding arenas across the greater universe. All of the big crunches would result in an expansion of the energy in the crunch and each such expansion would be like our known expanding arena. Matter that is destined to become galaxies would form from the dense dark energy that emerges from the big crunch.

    Thirdly I would add that the energy in each big crunch would have an infinite past, i.e. all of the energy in the greater universe has always existed and is merely being shuffled around as big crunches form from the galactic remnants of previously expanding arenas.

    So “my aether” has always existed and is a state of energy. Other states of energy emerge from the aether at different energy density thresholds. The crunch/burst process is repetitive and requires a finite amount of energy. The finite amount of energy is equivalent to the amount of energy in our own expanding arena. The exact amount of energy in an arena is determined by the threshold called critical capacity. When the critical capacity of a big crunch is reached, the crunch fails from within because a limit of maximum energy density is acheived and the energy compressed in the crunch is released into expansion as a stage in the crunch/burst process.

    Are you OK with those changes?
     
  12. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    what's there to change?

    i just asked if you thought the CBR could be the aether you talk aboutm if so then say 'Yes'

    as weird as it may sound, i do comprehend that statement and i do agree in principle as to this concept.

    OK

    are setting the fields as being interrelated at all points at the same time; as i often suggest, "each measured moment in time can be observed as a dimension", not another place but in existence, just like a snapshop. So one is affecting the other and vise verse, no matter the d/t. (this is how to define entanglement)

    not my single point.... i only picked up from what many on the globe consider a beginning in time (for an example)

    no such thing as DE/DM or even black holes of super dense matter. All them speculations were born from from having differences between what is seen (astronomy)and the math trying to predict. There are huge errors in the constants.

    That means, do not try and reach the created entity, but to return to real items and go forward. i.e.... can't climb a latter without firm steps. (i like my feet planted firmly)

    then define that 'state' first or provide the transition from mass to energy. in a glance, i will be able to let you know if i can help
    so to define the background state offers a medium thoughout the universe which will be varied based on the environment. Then to define them 'other states' must show a progression rather than entropic construct to reach the thresholds? Yes or No?

    that looks like you are trying to describe a transition of perhaps energy to mass, mass to energy (fission/fussion... but one atom) without the particle frame?

    and using words to do it. (which is a tough cookie)

    i am asking this because, i understand that the initial 'universal beginning' will follow the same rules as in each transition we can experience from the suns job

    please answer each question


    I would like to see what you are using, mathematically.

    no values, just the frame
     
  13. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    I don't understand, but if you insist on entanglement and I say there is none, is that a problem?
    I do understand that and I don't agree. There are black holes IMHO.
    I appreciate that. Look at the first few posts.
    I don't understand the use of the word "progression". Do you mean reverse entropy? If so, the landscape of the greater universe has both expanding and contraction arenas. Entropy occurs during expansion and reverse entropy occurs during contraction or at least as a result of the contraction.
    I am describing a transition from energy-to matter-to energy.

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    I agree. I could draw pictures.
    I don't understand that. But in QWC, there was no beginning unless you call the emergence of an expanding arena from a big crunch a beginning, but I don't.
    I tried.
    What math I have is all derived from the equations that are shown earlier. See post #8. That returns the % of a quantum that is included in an overlap of intersecting quanta. From there, by tweaking the variables you can do a lot with that equation believe it or not. But basically, until I finish the thee quantum mass live action I am supposed to be working on, that is as far as the math goes.
     
  14. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    in a sense i was rude, to not read your whole thread before

    so i read it and find you are breaking every rule in the book and i rather enjoy it.

    first your whole frame is defining a progression (we live in this universe, so when we get to the other side, then we can go back to entropy)

    second, your whole premise is bound to entanglement, but you have called it something else but clearly point out the potential is innert.

    Gravity itself is just entanglememt. The energy is doing it, not some 'weight'.

    I wanted to know if you have a compurter simulation?
     
  15. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks Bishadi. I don't have it yet but I am not funded yet either. I need about a quarter of a million dollars plus computer programming and computer time. Can you write me a check :cheers

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    How about you compile this into PDF for ease?
     
  17. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    To do that I guess I would have to buy the PDF creation software? Then there is the matter of putting it together is some logical order, maybe with some cut and paste from posts and essays, then a table of contents and index, footnotes etc.

    Have you ever used PDF? I really think that you meant that as a serious idea. It is a good suggestion.

    The timing is good for me to consider that. Over at Science Forums, The Original, as they call it, where I just joined as Brain-in-a vat, I'm setting out to do a clean presentation with my updated speculations. My plan was to start a thread to present it in a logical fashion and link all the concepts to show how they support each other. Just like here and other forums, interest in QWC is minimal but I am planning to present some new ideas there to see if anyone will take interest.

    I also just finished a big entrepreneurial project and have time to put into organizing QWC. Maybe when I get away for a few days soon I can start in on that idea of using PDF. Thanks.
     
  18. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    You remind me of what i did, 30 years back. Write up material, that can address phenomenon (even as a 2LoT buster) and not know what it was doing.

    Had i known back when, be certain i would have been a very dangerous man by now.

    But i learned compassion before knowing what the math meant.

    Now i am ruined in today's standards.

    No money nor help to the pursuit of profit!

    kind of sick i r
     
  19. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    There is a cryptic aspect to your posts that I suspect grows out of your personal view of physics, sort of eluding to what you have figured out and yet keeping within the boundaries

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    Anyway, you seem to almost give me some slack on the idea of the math of QWC can be derived from the simple equation for the accumulated portion of a quantum given the radii of the expanding spherical quantum waves.

    By applying the equation to live action and to a small mass, say the three or four quantum mass that I have been playing with, it is or at least will be easy to show that the mass can maintain its presence and emanate gravity at the same time when the aether surrounds the mass. I may get back to work on that little project if I do go on a little getaway next week. I just can't make myself do it because I know that the work I will put into it is ten times the work it would take if I was working with a programmer.

    What I would do is program it so that each quanta is given a label, and define their positions and radii at the start. Then set some variables like the rate of increase in their radii, set aether intrusion at the same rate as gravity emanation, and trigger a new high density spot every time the equation determines that the energy in the overlap is equal to a quantum of energy. The high density spot then gets a label and is considered to be in expansion as a new spherical quantum wave.

    Each wave that contributed to the new quantum will also still be a residual wave continuing on into the aether with its characteristic pull and push in accord with calculated energy containment of a three or four quantum mass. I can picture it and know the math will describe it to show how the mass is maintained and how gravity is emanated. When I do it with the two small masses separated in space, the animation will show how the path of mass is determined by the energy density of the aether, that itself is established by the residual quantum waves criss crossing throughout the aether.
     
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    Microsoft Word and OpenOffice offer .doc --> .pdf conversion.

    When putting in foot notes, the foot notes become links in the pdf. You can also "add hyperlink" over texts.
     
  21. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    That sounds easy. I am always producing new Word documents and setting the heading1 and heading2 as a table of contents. Being able to make it a PDF will give me some nice additional features. Thank you for the suggestions.
     
  22. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    Nucleosynthesis Begins

    Let me offer more detail for you to evaluate which might lead to some feedback about possible tests doable with today’s technology that I am not experienced enough to know about.

    If you read this you will have to read about two thousand words just to get exposed to the new detail. It is not easy reading and I don’t claim to have the ability to express myself in an interesting way. This post has to do with nucleosynthesis and the energy-to matter-to energy (E-M-E) process. The thing that makes the E-M-E process available for us to evaluate in the present and at the quantum level of order (and for possible testing ideas) is that the M in E-M-E is matter and matter is said to form within every arena during its expansion phase from dense dark energy.

    So if matter does form from dark energy then all particles we call “fundamental” will form out of the energy or as a result of interactions of those particles that do, i.e. there are no particles, not even quarks, in the burst of dense dark energy.

    In addition to the dense dark energy producing the fundamental particles, there is a factor from outside of the initial dense dark energy ball that is considered to have a major role in the matter formation process. Remember that the big crunch formed as a result of the intersection and overlap of two or more expanding arenas. The energy environment outside the crunch is composed of the arena remnants that did not get caught up in the collapsing overlap of the expanding arenas. That “outside” energy begins to be incorporated into the expanding dense dark energy right from the instant of the burst.

    It can be said that the dense dark energy is equalizing its energy density with the energy density of the surrounding energy environment as expansion progresses.

    If we say that the burst contained an arena worth of energy (i.e. the total energy in the burst is the same for every burst; it could be called an arena-quantum), then the total energy in the expanding arena is increasing as this equalization occurs. The expanding arena contains the original arena-quantum of energy and it gains energy from the outside environment through the process of energy density equalization.

    So with this description of the dual source of the energy content of the expanding arena, we have the constituent energy from which matter forms and the expanding environment within which it forms.

    Let’s analyze the two constituents. The expanding energy ball referred to as dense dark energy has the word “dense” because it has been compressed to the maximum possible energy density inside the crunch and retains that label until its density declines to the matter formation threshold. The name contains the word “dark” not to say that there are no particles that are emitting electromagnetic radiation (there are no particles at all), but to say there is an unseen expansionary force there. That force is the result of what is called potential expansion energy that was built up as the energy was compressed beyond the upper matter functioning range, i.e. the “energy” part of the force that I called arena action earlier in the thread.

    The other constituent of the energy content of the arena is the energy environment that surrounded the crunch at the time of the burst, and that is being incorporated into the dense dark energy as expansion occurs. That energy is called background energy and is made up of three main constituents, electromagnetic radiation, dark matter, and dark energy.

    Electromagnetic radiation is coursing through space from all directions as the result of a history of arenas that have played out across the landscape of the greater universe. It is called cosmic microwave background radiation (CMBR). The other two constituents of the background energy are quantized and unquantized dark energy. Both are energy remnants from the same history of arena action that gives us the CMB. Some of the dark energy becomes quantized during the matter formation process but does not get incorporated into the fundamental particles that form next; it is dark matter. The other part of the dark energy is simply the expanding remnant of the dark energy which continues to occupy space and files all voids after the matter formation period is completed; a period that is very brief in cosmic terms.

    So that is the “soup” from which matter forms during the expansion phase of arena action.

    I bet you are saying that you can’t understand this, but I know that understanding can be gained. You can envision things that are against your current understanding. I’m sure it is entirely possible for you to do that. But I also think that we can envision future discoveries and the process of discovery requires us to do so. I don’t know if you would agree that you need to understand what I am saying before you can debunk it, and it isn’t likely that you are thinking that I am envisioning future discovery. But never the less, there are certainly some laughs here if you have the right attitude. I would like to know what the laughable parts are, and I hope you think that is the right attitude on my part.

    So let’s move to the part about what the temperature is of this pre-matter formation soup. Any process of nucleosynthesis must comply with the entire recipe, and temperature is just as important to the recipe as the constituents that go into the soup.

    My prediction is that we have a “cold start” to the matter formation process. I know that goes against your current understanding and for that I apologize because I said I accept most peer-reviewed theory as the best we can do given the evidence and the tools. Briefly, my reasons for going with a “cold start” in Quantum Wave Cosmology are twofold. First, if matter ceases to function at some maximum level of energy density (required in the mechanics of the burst) then photons are not being emitted to heat things up. Second, the high energy photons, electrons, protons, X-Rays, cosmic rays and other particles already in existence and characteristic of the tremendous heat and radiation associated with the formation of a big crunch will be converted to dense dark energy. This conversion occurs just like the conversion of gravity and mass of the crunch that occurs at the moment of the negation of functioning matter.

    How can heat be converted to dense dark energy? The process of heat generation is stopped in the core as gravity and mass are converted to dense state energy leaving no functioning particles to produce or absorb electromagnetic radiation. As the core grows it does not generate heat and it gradually diminishes the mass of the crunch (dense energy has no mass in QWC because mass is a process and all processes are halted). As the mass of the crunch is diminished, the gravitational emanation of the crunch is proportionally diminished.

    The core consists of perfectly equalized energy density and the equalization is maintained throughout the core as it grows. The existing heat outside the core is at the maximum possible temperature which is associated with the maximum possible energy density that triggers the formation of the dense energy core. That heat energy is expended to drive the energy density over the threshold required for dense state energy to form. The heat is effectively converted to dense state energy in the process.

    Two main differences between Big Bang Nucleosynthesis and big burst nucleosynthesis are the point at which heat begins to dissipate and the constituents of the soup from which matter forms.

    So after the burst and after energy density equalization has lowered the energy density to the matter formation threshold we get rapid and abundant matter formation across the expanding arena. The phrase “rapid and abundant” means that matter forms almost simultaneously throughout the space encompassed by the arena.

    I maintain that dark matter is the first matter to form. Dark matter is the first product of the quantization of energy. Quantization occurs as follows. When the density of the dense dark energy declines to the matter formation threshold it reaches the point in the range of energy densities where there is sufficient background intrusion from outside the arena to allow quantum action to occur. Remember quantum action was forced to stop due to the compression of energy in the big crunch.

    A huge amount of mass, gravitational energy and heat energy was consumed to produce the dense state energy, and so it is expected that there will be a huge amount of dense dark energy consumed to produce dark matter and its associated gravity, i.e. it is an e=mc^2 type of relationship.

    Dark matter is marked by the presence of energy quanta. Energy quanta exist when quantum action is taking place. So what is quantum action and what causes it to take place?

    Quantum action is the consequence when energy density falls from the dense state to within the range that accommodates the formation of matter. As the density of energy declines out of its dense state where it was perfectly equalized it is forced to give up its equalized state and it gives it up grudgingly. Microscopic low density holes form and the dense energy rushes in to fill them and to maintain the equalization state. But it is a futile effort and more and more holes of low energy density keep forming as arena expansion continues and the dense energy keeps filling them. What was once mostly dense dark energy quickly becomes mostly “holes” of low energy density and what is left of the dense dark energy is only able to find and maintain its dense state at the center of the holes.

    By way of analogy, if you shot photons into expanding dense state energy then microscopic low density “holes” form in the dense state energy because the energy of a photon is lower than the density of dense state energy.

    But that is only half of the picture because once the “holes” predominate, the low energy density of the holes surrounding the remaining bits of dense energy want to equalize with the bits of dense energy. As a result the bit of dense energy is forced to expand to fill the low energy density hole. This produces a spherically expanding quantum wave of energy and primes the process of repeating quantum action that occurs within mass.

    Quantum action goes on at all times when the energy density of the arena is within the matter functioning range. The bit of dense dark energy in each “hole” has now become a quantum of energy and the force of quantum action that began as a struggle between the dense state energy and the intruding low energy density is now self-perpetuating process of overlapping energy quanta followed by the collapse of quanta of energy into high density spots. The spots in turn bust into expansion to perpetuate the process.

    The formation of matter across the expanding environment quickly transforms the arena into a sea of dark matter and dark energy. It can be described as intersecting energy quanta closely packed across the expanding arena. All the while the entire arena sea is continually being intruded upon by the three constituents of the surrounding energy environment.

    Gravity is extremely strong relative to expansion momentum at this stage in the E-M-E process. What unfolds in the arena from here is a result of the imbalance between gravity and expansion momentum. Expansion momentum will eventually win out but until then, fundamental particles of matter, electromagnetic radiation, atoms of hydrogen, neutrons, helium, and eventually stars, stellar nucleosynthesis, metallization, and galaxies will form.

    We have dark matter in the form of energy quanta separating and moving away from each other due to the expansion momentum imparted to them as they formed, and also attracting each other with their new gravitational emanation. The expanding arena is now ready to start quanta clumping due to gravity, and the clumping is the source of many of the fundamental particles.

    To be continued after the robust discussion to follow :thumbsup:
     
  23. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    Let me try a different approach here too like I did in the other forum, hoping to get some discussion.

    Does anyone agree that the physics of the known universe includes a concept of energy that encompasses a large body of knowledge and theory? And maybe the most important part of what we know about energy is the equivalence between mass and energy.

    Agree or disagree?

    Agree … good.

    Equivalence between mass and energy is represented by Einstein’s equation e=mc^2. That seems pretty reasonable to me. Agree? … Good.

    We know energy is a characteristic of mass and can be used by extracting it from mass, as in burning coal to boil water to turn a turbine to operate machinery. That process converts energy from coal to useful motion. Agree? … Good.

    Does everyone agree that there is a precise equivalence instead of an imprecise casual variable type of relationship between energy contained within mass and the useful energy that is extracted from mass?

    Is this precise equivalence, if it is true, enough evidence to support a concept of energy quantization? In other words, no matter how or when the mass got formed, while it has been in its present form, at a constant temperature, and unexcited by outside sources, it has always contained a precise amount of energy as in the equation e=mc^2 would indicate? Agreed? ... I hope so.

    The implication I am getting at is that the fundamental particles of the standard particle model that have mass would all have an equivalent amount of energy relative to their mass, and if fundamental particles have different mass, they would have different energy equivalence.

    And if energy quantization is the way that equivalence is achieved by nature, wouldn't it follow that the fundamental particles would contain energy in quantum increments, implying that the various fundamental particles all have something in common, and that commonality is energy quantization.
     

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