Second Amendment Fun

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  1. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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  3. vslayer Registered Senior Member

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    ... and i thought RC cars with BBguns were awesome. :jawdrop:
     
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  5. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    American ingenuity.

    The plans are to mount a surveillance camera with gunsights, and a spotlight.
    a a better muffler system to reduce the sound signature.

    Just think of the fun of making a strafing run, and be able to actually aim with precision.
     
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  7. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Question is does the second amendment cover armed ROVs and auto sentries?
     
  8. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    If it is a small arm used by the military, yes.
     
  9. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Oh please do show how you make that interpretation.
     
  10. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    Its retarded. you couldn't hit shit with it plus you would probably need a second person to operate the remote for the gun.
     
  11. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    I've see metal storm and autoshot guns on remote control helicopters is I would think it would be viable if there are all these experiments with arming mini-UAVs, now the question brought up by the threads title is can civilians owned armed UAVs?
     
  12. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    I know of no laws against such, the only problem might be with full auto guns on board.

    pjdude, it isn't any more difficult than the skills needed to fly a flight simulator, remote control model, or UAV that is already armed, the military does it all the time.

    If equipped with a camera, that has a reticule, or aiming point, what would be the problem about accuracy?
     
  13. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    I know of a few people who own armed civilian aircraft, the one that comes to mind first is Mike Dillon of Dillon of Dillon Precision Products, he own several full armed aircraft and helicopters, and uses than on target on his own range in Arizona or Nevada.

    So what would be the difference for a UAV, as long as you complied with flight rule and regulation, and any BATF requirements for the possession of full automatic fire arms.
     
  14. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    I like to see that, seriously

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    I don't know, something like I could rob a bank while being 1/2 mile from it?
     
  15. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    its what you would call an unstable firing platform. I have seen people try and fly them. its a bitch to keep them steady. also you have the potential of recoil disrupting flight.
     
  16. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    The only reason you would call it a unstable platform is because you can't handle it.

    It take skill and coordination to fly a helicopter, and I have 3300 hr of doing just such.

    Flying a UAV is no different that flying a real platform, except you don't get any seat of the pants input.

    But with instrumentation VFR, or IFR, it is exactly the same.

    IFR is like flying the hood, and even that is no problem if you add Infared and/or Night Vision.

    Cameras give you sight information as to horizon and attitude, and gun sight picture.

    Recoil is not a problem, as long as you match your weapons system to the size of the platform.

    Even today I fly sim's that are nothing more than UAV flying, my visual reference is controlled by my hat switch, and when locked forward to the Gun Sight, I have a aiming point, and then all you do is add lead to the target if it is moving in relation to you, if it moving across your sights you lead, if it is stationary, you give lag to your target, and if it is a dog fight, things get real interesting for deflection shot, and if your stationary and your target is stationary, put the cross hairs on the target and pull the trigger.



    Here is a sim for you to try, and see what it is all about, IL 2 Sturmovik
    1946. UBISOFT

    In the sim, I have full instrumentation, vibration, wind, trim, flight planning, engine management, fuel management, weapons management, view reference, target selection, air to air, and air to ground.

    You have to worry about stall, spin, speed, G-force, trim, and attack profile.

    All with out sensory input form your ass, so yes it simulates flying a UVA very well.

    You have to take off, and land, in cross winds, and storms, and in your ground attack profiles be carful you don't merge with the target, the screen goes suddenly black.

    Only it being a sim you reset, not like in real life.

    The profiles are mostly in real time, and flying one can take over two hours.

    The carrier landings are a real experience, and I have a absolute respect for Gold Wingers, for that maneuver, It is absolutely demanding in the sim, and I can only imagine what it is like for real, were a screw up can end up killing you and crew members.

    When you learn to do that in the sim, you have done something, but it still doesn't compare to what the Gold Wingers do for real.

    But then Gold Wingers can't land backwards, I can, Rotors Rule, Starchies Drool.
     
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  17. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

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    Heh, I remember some video where a guy made a Gears of War gun -- attached a chainsaw to one of his automatic rifles.

    Pssst, and ya hear in the UK, police only investigate 4 out of 10 crimes?

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  18. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    a remote control helicoptor is different than a real one. also the tech behind a uav is going to be better than your run of the mill RC
     
  19. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

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    A retail civilian RC helicopter, sure, for obvious reasons, but not a military RC one. The only big difference is that your field-of-vision is all jacked up flying a remote vs actually being in the seat of an aircraft.

    You know how aircraft and all that are created, ya? They actually make mini-versions of them scaled down and fly them RC-style. I mean, no differences other than scale and cockpit view. Heck, go to Edwards AFB sometime and you'll see all kinds of crazy scaled down F-14's, F-16's, F-18's, drones, etc etc. Cool as hell to see those little suckers take off and fly with their mini rocket boosters.

    As for drones, heck, it's basically like playing a high-tech video game due to all the cameras you have rather than being out in the cold flying it like an RC. The crazy things that can be done without you even being there. Heh, it wouldn't surprise me if some new America's Army video game came out through our military where you do nothing but fly drones, except that you're really controlling them unknowingly. Any screwing around will be severely punished while all the kids at home are secretly controlling a black-ops bombing campaign elsewhere in the world. Hey, that'd be a cool movie. A modern version of WarGames or somethin, heh.

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  20. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Well pjuded, the Helicopter you saw in the video, that wasn't a run of the mill Remote, that was a custom built.

    It had Collective Control, Rudder Control, Throttle Control, and it was being flown RC, that all come off the shelf, the servos that triggered the gun came off the shelf, where do you think the programs for auto pilot and aircraft stability, on private and commercial aircraft come from, and that is available to scale builders too.

    There are now cameras that transmit, that weigh less the a pound, that are off the shelf, so you can actually have pilot eye view from the aircraft.

    The programs for most RPV are off the shelf, what isn't, are the militaries secure up links and down links, and the secure transmission to the RPV, but that can even be done for Home Builders, there are scrambler systems for your own transmissions available to secure your own signals, and everyday in the military they are now flying armed RPV, with weapons loads, and systems who's recoil, launch, and drop stress, is real world.

    There are several computer games, where the soft wear, could be down loaded to a computer on a RPV, giving full 4 axis control, plus engine throttle control, and remote control servos to trigger weapons, and you would have the capability to fly the craft as a totally remote with eyes on board, and with attack capabilities.

    All from off the shelf systems.

    http://gizmodo.com/382748/top-gun-2008-biggest-rc-airplane-competition-in-the-world

    http://www.gizmodo.com.au/tags/planes?tag=planes&category=&order=date&lastn=10&offset=20&blogs=8

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    Top Gun Florida, these scale model aircraft are equipped with full 4 axis control, flight control, and bomb drop capability, some are also equipped to launch rockets.

    But the flaps work, the engines are jet, and they are big enough with enough excess power to be armed.

    All of the systems are off the shelf.

    There is one video of a AH-1-J, 1/5 scale, that is launching rockets, but I can't find it yet.

    These aircraft are up to 15 feet in size, and are completely accurate even to the internal systems.

    http://www.onerateads.com/RC-520.htm
     
  21. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

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    Sweet, A-10. I wonder what they gave it for its canons, some chain-belt fed fully auto .22? Heh.

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  22. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    I don't know but a stripped down 10-22 ruger would work well.

    The more I Google on this subject the more impressed I become, so guy built a RPV, with a 5 kilo load capability, it was autonomous, with on board computer, and either launched it from New York, to England, or England to New York, and it landed with in 5 meters of the projected landing point, across the Atlantic and a 5 meter error!!!!!

    Home Land Security had a shit fit, and it was all done with off the shelf systems made for RC flyers.

    Computers, GPS systems, Video Links, Cameras, and Engines.
     

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