Back in World War II there was quite a bit of medical research occurring at that time. Much of this research was regarded as dark and somewhat unethical. Many even consider it to be cruel pseudoscience. Majority of medical research was conducted on the Jewish victims of the holocaust. Things such as castration without the use of an anaesthetic would often happen. However, there is some data retrieved from these cruel experiments that are often used today. For example, the temperature to which a human can survive without freezing themselves to death is known through Nazi experimentation. This discussion opens up the debate as to whether or not it is moral to use data collected from Nazi (and possibly other unethical medical experiments) research.
phandentium no its not imoral to use knowlage which is collected from any source. Would it be immoral to learn about major trauma through the injuries war causes? HELL NO, most trauma knowlage has been collected from the effects of trauma in war. This even includes the Golden Hour concept. I think it would be immoral to let someone die when the knowlage is there symply because we dispise the source of that knowlage
With the advent of supercomputers we can simulate many variations about medical issues on humans without actually hurting anyone today. So why take any risks at all when none aren't needed?
Surely many would believe that using these statistics would be okay. But why do some people believe that it is not right or truly moral to use this data?
At issue, I think, is that people don't want to be TOLD where that data comes from, that's all. "Use it, but don't tell me it came from the Nazis" See how fucked up people really are? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Baron Max
Some of these experiments were incredibly bad. Like taking two twins. Seperating them. Than torturing one of them, and by torture i mean like stab them, skin them, poison them, etc. And see if there was any change in the other one.
We already use a lot of research which was obtained by unethical methods. Like testing done on inmates of prisons, mental health institutions, orphanages.
I agree. Using the information gathered by Nazi's doesn't necessarily imply that you approve of their methods. The evil deeds are done. The suffering and death inflicted by those bastards can't be undone. If some good can actually come from the knowledge they gathered, great.
Simulations are just that. They never fully replicate the real thing, they only get close. Sometimes you dont know until you actually test it.
I don't know that testing done on inmates is necessarily unethical. I guess it would depend on the severity of their crime and the nature of the experiment. You might see it as a way for them to repay their debt to society. Suppose inmates on death row were given the option of life in prison instead of execution under the condition that they volunteer for medical experiments. Would that be unethical?
Well, some could consider the unethical experimentation of prison inmates to be classified under justice.
I think when it was done without consent it was definitely unethical. Like harvesting organs from prisoners in China today. There are stricter rules now for human experimentation today, though not everywhere.
phandentium, i think it is perfectly fine. If you took every advancement and ignored them because there was a negative attached to it we would still be wiping our ***** with rocks and living in caves.
are you seriously insane? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! you mean it's okay to just snatch up people off the streets to experiment on them?
only under extreme circumstances. but i was referring specifically to this: "whether or not it is moral to use data collected from Nazi (and possibly other unethical medical experiments) research."
yes. and that data was gleaned from people, people that was innocent and commited no crimes and were snatched up off the streets. the only way i would use the data is if the person or their family got the credit for the discovery. this includes all royalties, patents, and monetary awards.
come on. that is like saying people cant use data collected at car accidents if there are fatalities.
