I Saw the News Today, Oh, Boy...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by whitewolf, Oct 11, 2008.

  1. whitewolf asleep under the juniper bush Registered Senior Member

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    Barack Obama was speaking in Ohio and mentioned his plan for loans to small businesses which is what, he said, is exactly what we did after 9.11. Who was Pres. during 9.11? G. W. Bush, with a Republican-dominated congress, the very policy makers Obama has been condemning with foam at the mouth for a year. You have to have an I.Q. of 90 or below to take his preacher-style talk with your mouth agape.
     
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  3. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Bush the water boy

    Indeed.

    To the other, have you ever heard the phrase, "If the shoe fits, wear it"? The small-business loans were something Bush did that worked.

    Look, imagine that the water boy accidentally runs over the quarterback with the golf cart.

    Easy enough?

    Okay, the next water boy will be expected to not run over the quarterback. However, simply because the last water boy ran over the quarterback does not mean the new one should not providing water to the team.

    At any rate, I have a sneaking suspicion there is a typographical error (omission) in the sentence I've quoted above. While I certainly appreciate its sentiment, it seems discordant to the rest of your post.
     
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  5. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    If we listen to Hussein Obama, all we're gonna' have to do is to lie back and let the government milk n' honey flow directly into our mouths!

    Baron Max
     
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  7. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    So you are saying that he is honestly praising something that the opposing party did that was effective and productive?

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    He should be ashamed of himself for being honest and pragmatic!!

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  8. whitewolf asleep under the juniper bush Registered Senior Member

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    Well, (a) perhaps he shouldn't trash the guy he's copying or (b) come up with something better (or at least original). In the same speech, he promised tax cuts as well. All good, but that's also very Republican and exactly what Bush did - our Bush, who is blamed for increasing gov't debt and not ridding us of a financial crisis through 8 years of presidency. Who is really promising a continuation of the same policies while pounding in "change" every time he opens his mouth for a breath?
     
  9. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    It's a little more nuanced than that

    The Devil is in the details, Whitewolf. He's not proposing the exact same policy.
     
  10. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    So he is lying.
     
  11. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    Really?
    How so?

    This ought to be good.
     
  12. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    Shades of grey.
    Politicians excel in it.

    Plus, again.. nothing is cut and dried in politics, I think he's being pragmatic.
     
  13. whitewolf asleep under the juniper bush Registered Senior Member

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    And which minor details are those?

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  14. tim840 Registered Senior Member

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    And neither is McCain. Really, I am sick and tired of people saying that McCain is "more of the same." It is nothing more than a lie... :splat: and it bugs me
     
  15. whitewolf asleep under the juniper bush Registered Senior Member

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    Did you know that Dish Network now has an Obama channel which spews his propaganda 24/7?

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  16. whitewolf asleep under the juniper bush Registered Senior Member

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    It's hard to explain his policy, isn't it? Because you can skim through his web site and see lots of lengthy articles with 0 substance, right? Yea.
     
  17. Ganymede Valued Senior Member

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    McCain hasn't done anything to distinguish himself from Bush's policies. He was foolish enough to abort his own positions and adopt Bush's. Example, he refused to vote for the immigration bill that he co-authored. In 2004 he said that the Bush tax cuts were irresponsible. These are 2 major policy positions that he was once against, now he's in full support of for the reasons I indicated above. If you have any examples to counter these charges, I would be interested in hearing them.
     
  18. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    This and that

    Well, you could start with the rescinding of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. You know how McCain is always whining that Obama will raise taxes?

    That's a start.

    Given the degree of generalization you're operating on, Whitewolf, the irony of your point is worth more than the argument itself.

    To reiterate my point:

    Look, imagine that the water boy accidentally runs over the quarterback with the golf cart.

    Easy enough?

    Okay, the next water boy will be expected to not run over the quarterback. However, simply because the last water boy ran over the quarterback does not mean the new one should not providing water to the team.​

    See, it would seem that you're complaining that, since Bush was a bad president, any policy he enacted ought to be thoroughly repudiated. Consider, for example, that the Bush administration Department of Justice actually went to court once against bigots who demanded that Muslims forfeit their religion in order to participate in public life. Should Obama not stand up for the rights of religious people, since the Bush administration did?

    I mean, you're complaining that Obama intends to support small businesses? Because that's what Bush did? Okay, fine. So the water boy should not bring the team water since the last one ran over the quarterback with a golf cart.

    Absolutely ridiculous. The problem with delving into policy is when you're faced with the prospect of explaining it to someone whose outlook is so insensate.

    Right now it seems folks are waiting for you to make some sort of useful case. Instead, all we have to work with is generalization. What, do you think helping small businesses is a bad thing, a failed policy?

    Indeed, I would challenge you to provide any one occasion in which Obama said helping small business was a failure of the Bush administration, but given the generalized nature of your topic post and points a and b, it's easy enough to predict that outcome as anticlimactic. Whether you can't or won't is entirely up to you.

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    You know, you're right. When the Bush administration changed its policy and moved toward a plan for Iraq that sounded very much like Obama's, the president gave McCain a gift of separation. McCain is now behind the curve on Iraq, and, somehow, lagging behind the Bush administration. And when it reversed policy and sent someone to sit at the table with the Iranians, the administration gave McCain another gift by doing what he wouldn't. Indeed, when he picked Palin, McCain brought to the ticket an abortion policy more conservative than Bush's; more conservative, even, than Iran's. And, hey, I admit that I don't recall even Bush being stupid enough to propose to kick people off their current employer-based insurance plan and offer them a $5,000 credit to pay for a $12,000 insurance policy. Gotta admit, though, McCain was better off when he was viewed as a Bush clone. Given the differences, that 95% of the time he supported Bush's policies is actually starting to look like a selling point.

    It's hard to make the point of distance between McCain and Bush when McCain actually manages to make himself sound even worse than Bush.
     
  19. Balerion Banned Banned

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    It doesn't help that McCain has changed his campaign every other day, seemingly. He's flip-flopped on the campaign trail, which is astounding.
     
  20. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Did you know that at the start, back when we followed this thing called the Constitution, the president was the #1 pick by the people of the USA and the vice president was the #2 pick. This means GW Bush Jr. would have had Al Gore as VP and you know, just maybe things wouldn't have gotten so bad.

    But, you see, the best thing to do, to rule sheeple, is to pit them one against the other under the illusion of choice.
    Us -vs- Them
    One of the oldest tricks in the books - Apes still do it, even today.

    *ding ding*
    McCain -vs- Obama CNN/FOX News/ABC/MSNBC See them go head to head ... all tonight....

    pathetic...


    I can only hope that after the complete collapse of the US economy that people stop and think, hey, maybe we should go back to first principals.
     

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