All The Nations

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  1. The Evelyonian Registered Senior Member

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    I split this off from the "Death to Apostates (?)" thread because it was an interesting discussion but really had nothing to do with the OT.

    The topic, in a nutshell, is "Was Jesus' message meant only for the Jewish people or for everyone?"

    Here is the discussion thus far.

     
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  3. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    Except the word in Aramaic translations is also 'nations'...not 'peoples'.

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  5. The Evelyonian Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, but the Aramaic word used there is "Ama" which means basically the same thing as ethnos, nations in the sense of race.
     
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  7. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    I'm with Matthew on this one. "All nations" means everybody.
     
  8. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    Not according to the translators. If you believe the translators are wrong then the whole bible is up for grabs.

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  9. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Carcano:

    Are you suggesting that all the nations on earth were Jewish?
     
  10. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    No, but all nations of the known world at the time had some Jewish constituents.
     
  11. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    I doubt that...

    If you do provide proof, then I will say "So what?"
     
  12. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    What a ridiculous claim Carcano.

    So you think there were Jews in China at 33AD?
     
  13. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    I can tell you now there wasn't any in England.
     
  14. The Evelyonian Registered Senior Member

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    I do not believe the translators are wrong.

    The Aramaic word used is "Ama" which means "nations" in the sense of "races of people".

    The Greek word used is "Ethnos" which means "nations" in the sense of "races of people".

    The use of the word "nations" is not an error on the part of the translators. It is simply that "nations" has more than one meaning.

     
  15. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    The English language has evolved too.

    Nation could have meant tribe a few hundred years ago.
     
  16. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    According to you it is...as you just demonstrated.
     
  17. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    There were Greeks in Afghanistan in 275 BC!
     
  18. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    In essence The Evelyonian has described that Jesus wanted His message spread to everyone.

    When you read the bible now does it mean anything different to this?

    (sorry for cutting in The Evelyonian)
     
  19. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    So?
     
  20. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    And Jesus described his message as being only for Jews.
     
  21. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Obviously this is incorrect.
     
  22. The Evelyonian Registered Senior Member

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    From an interlinear greek translation:

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    http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/mat28.pdf

    The Strongs concordance entry for Ethnos

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    http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/strongs.cgi?file=greeklexicon&isindex=Ethnos

    From an interlinear Aramaic Translation (unfortunately the Aramaic characters here would only display in hexadecimal)

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    Taken from http://www.dukhrana.com/peshitta/
     
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