Star Wars vs Star Trek

ok, if the entire star trek universe (united) went against the entire star wars universe (united):

star trek would win. the star wars lasers are no match for the star trek phasers. The star trek universe is much bigger too. major fleets from star wars: empire, republic (time is not taken into account), rebels. major fleets from star trek: federation, klingons, romulans, cardassians, borg, species 8472, dominion, kazon

also, while star wars supporters argue that star trek does not resort to direct combat as often, they must not be considering the klingons and the hirogen. and so what? if the small crew of voyager can strategically and intelligently destroy a borg cube, they can do the same to a star wars adversary (star trek fans: PLEASE don't get into the whole voyager made the borg too weak thing)

and while star wars does have the jedi/sith, star trek has an even greater power.

Q. All Q really has to do is snap his fingers and that's it.

 

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First of all

Phasers 10 seconds to drill a 10,000 meter hole that 2 meter diameter in dirts and concrete

Turbolasers 1/15 second to vaporize a nickel iron asteroid 100 meters in diemter.

Do the math.

As for Q they do not involve himself in the affairs of mortals as a hard rule. The one Q was excommunicated for that very reason. So they are no show in the war.

 

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Turbolasers
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So yes, the turbolaser demonstrated considerably more power than the Phaser set to drill, however it's up to you to prove that they vaporized any 100 meter asteroids. The commonly used figure of 40 meters for the ESB asteroid gives a yield of479.1 kilotons. Other things you may want to prove, that it took 1/15th of a second, rather than a full second. that the asteroid was in fact vaporized rather than just severely fragmented.

once your done with that, you might want to address Q who and those gaping wholes blown in the apparently super dense (extrapolating from the density of the scout ship in Iborg) borg cube.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Science/Asteroids.html
http://grapevine.abe.msstate.edu/~fto/tools/vol/cylinder.html

 

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good to see you again mate

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phasers:
over 10 times the beam diameter hole (argubly 6.9m wide) and 1600m deep, for 14-16s or a 100m in depth per second and at least 70m wide at low power setting on average. the drilling is said to be done on solid granite. there is no melting or fragmentation. the material is turned to nothing.

turbolaser:
1/15 second discharge to blast an asteroid the size of 10-50m long. the turet fires 1 every second at best. the average is one such asteroid per second. the asteroid is said to be nikel-iron composite. the blust turns the asteroid to dust (mostly).

someone can do the math

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corection:
not 10 but 20+ times wider then the beam wide hole (i just checked the caps, looks like 24-25 times)

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the turbolaser actually pass completely through the asteroid and out the other side as it destroys it? That would seem to indicate that the turbolaser was probably much more powerful than the minimum needed to destroy the asteroid, and they were simply using it because it was the smallest thing they had to shoot with.

 

i'm corecting you cause you are wrong

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the bolts are always apsorbed on impact regardless of the damage they do. for example the bolt hiting the small asteroid apears to be sucked in like in a sponge and then the asteroid blows up (frame by frame opservation-you might find the captures some 200 pages back). on the other hand the fighters chasing the falcon shoot their bolts and miss, hiting the asteroids (and subsecuently dispersing) but causng no visible damage. even the larger bolts fired by the ISD2 on the exit of the asteroid field (like those used against the Nebulon B) don't pass through the asteroids they hit.

 

Yep it's still going...nothing out last the energizer battery, it keeps going, and going, and going, and going......

Scotty is very wrong. From the evidence availble the Turbo laser destroyed laser in just under a second or at a second...he's also uping the size of the asteroid to 100 meters from 40 meters...not to mention we can't confirm the size of the asteroid as it's never seen in an appropriate straight line of comparison.

We give Star's the Forty...but we can't confirm anything else. If the asteroid was 100 meters long it would fit snuggly inside the main fighter bay...It's clearly not that big

Either Way the Enterprise disentegrated hundreds of millions of tonnes of alloyed metals in less than the same second.

It's official Trek is the ultimate fire power in the universe.

 

TW Scotch is grasping at straws... soon he'll resort to attacking those of us he can't get to leave using his bullshittery.

 

Those were excelent additions to the Encyclopedia Flec. If I get the opportunity I'll clean up the grammar and spell check in when I make my edits to the Q-who portion of the page.

I appreciate the contribution.

40 meter Asteroid.
Mass= Volume x Density

A Perfectly Spherical Asteroid 40 Asteroid Iron/Nickel
Volume: 33,510.3216 m^3
Density of Iron: 7.9cm^3
Density of Nickel: ???? (online calcuation)

1,044,784.8068448001 metric tonnes
Nickel Portion: 149,254.97240640002 metric tonnes


Total/Actual Mass of 40 meter nickel/iron Asteroid:
1,194,039.77925120012 (1.19 million metric tonnes)



Type X Phaser Disentigration
Voyager/Cube comparison


207.16319770730232922695779804662 Times the Turbo Laser

207 Times



Type X Phaser Disentigration
Borg Scout/Borg Cube Comparison


3,704,581.0740459500132364756594604 Times the Turbo Laser

3.7 million Times

 

Does the Novelization mention which grade of turbolaser is doing the work on those larger asteroids?

 

The one i read siad it was the point defense guns. Which would be Light turbo lasers in my opinion. Then again some schematics have ISD only carrying Standard Turbolasers. Either way it does show a truly impressive firepower.

 

yes yes yes... oh wait, NO!

You are mincing words Scotch... stop doing that or we'll all throw you on our ignore lists again.

If the Type X phaser could obliterate that much material in the cube, going by the scout ship estimates, there is no WAY they were using a high powered shot on plain ground. EVEN if we go by the density of Voyager instead, we come out FAR higher than any output of your PDTL's. And that's an older, common-place ship phaser.

And IF the borg cube is as hollow as you say, that just increases the difficulty in destroying large sections with a single blast. Why? Dispersal of energy. The same reason why metal fire doors have a vaccum space between the two panels - it slows the transfer of heat! That would, in essence, increase the destructive power of a phaser blast.

 

TWSCOTT did say that the Borg ship was mostly hollow.
We know Borg Cubes are highly decentralized and uniform, You're right that only makes taking out the Cube more difficult because that density is has not specific location no matter where the phaser strikes.

You see the hand phaser desentigrate rock faces so easily, the ship mounted weapons appeared to leveled appropriately.

Star Wars can't enjoy the same analysis. There are many times that Tie Fighter lasers have zero effect against rocks and buildings. That's a pretty large weapon to have zero effect.

Really...there is absolutely no contest either way...
This brings into question just how powerful the Heavy TL's are.. When we see the MC-80 pop that Star Destroyer in a couple of shots with no previous damage....

I don't know....It might be the same effect as a phaser striking it's hull directly at Full power. Conceivably the Enterprise might have taken out enough of the Cube to equal the raw tonage of a Star Destroyer. At these numbers...207 times or 3 million times the anti fighter weapon, It doesn't look good for the imperials. I thought this would be more of a fight. Scott isn't really saying anything new, and he's not opposing the information.

This is the first time he's been completely at a loss for words.
We may have a winner. Undenialbe evidence, ton for ton that Star Wars doesn't hold a candle to Star Trek.

 

Oh and make note that only a few times did the Enterprise ramp it's power up to full or max.
I only count two,
The episode Star Wars fans love to quote with the 400 giga watt fallacy. Riker says "Fire phasers on full." and Q-Who...there might be on other.

 

He always confuses me at this point.
Antaran you're gong to have to clean that up a bit.
That would be a good post to add to the Star Wars side.

 

Way past my head.

 

sorry for that last post. i wrote that while i was still at work in notepad and then copy pasted it, but obviously not the entire text was translated. and i did not save the originial

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