Star Wars vs Star Trek

PEOPLE!!! WATCH THIS YOUTUBE.COM VIDEO IS SHOULD PROVIDE ACCURATE DATA AS TO HOW SUCH A BATTLE WOULD TAKE PLACE! (Very well made and highly entertaining!)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hNxhrPaaCA4

Stop your babbling and watch the video immediately!

 

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Only one problem - the TIE's wouldn't make the Ent-D rock like that, the SD wouldn't blow the shields away, and the DS SuperLaser would only require a small burst of impulse engine power to evade

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Your all insane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hahahahahahahahahaha. are you serious, you have been arguing this stupid topic for 6 years. hahahahahahahahaahahahahah. None of you has a life. hahahahahahahahahaah. Who cares which one will win, they are two fictional movies, thats like arguing whether Lord of the Rings would beat Narnia, who cares. hahahahahahahahahahahaha. there have been over 12000 posts, that is so pathetic. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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AHAHAHAHAHAH my fingers are as sore as my lungs from laughing. hahahahahaha. :xctd:

 

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It's just a hobby...

 

hi lads
i just read the last 20 or so pages. sorry for being apsent for so long, but i had other things on my mind, the least of which was Mass Effect for PC

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it's good to see, Saquist and Flektarn brought in the good old fashion visual presentation. i was bored by the constant bickering about canon. Saq, i'll try to find my estemates on the size of the holes in that cube (probably some 200 pages back by now). i would like you guys to state your opinion (especially the SW side) on the overall percentage of empty space for these ships.

to Sardonic, mate, i think our analasys should always go allong the lines of ceteris paribus, one factor at the time. trying to form a strategy based on all factors is viable and desirable, but nearly impossible, because of the vast number of possible outcomes. that's why in the beggining of my posts i've presented my case on diferent levels (firepower, shielding, sub light propulsion, FTL, military doctrine...).

on the issue of replicating phaser power cells: perhaps phaser and disruptor power cells are not chemical, but have some exotic nuclear origin, thus being unreplicable. as for replicators not being used instead of weapons dealers, well maybe weapon patterns are not easy to procure. as much as i am aware there are industrial grade replicators that are used during weapons/ships manufacture.

 

We put a few minutes every week into this... how long did it take you to type that?

*chuckles* You're just as bad as the rest of us for finding this thread by the way... and for following it for six years

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antaran, welcome back.

your well reasoned and researched arguments have been missed.

 

Again, I urge all of you to watch the video..

It may be inaccurate as to the reality of such a sci-fi battle, but its a good movie anyhow.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hNxhrPaaCA4

I still think the Deathstar could/should put a tractor beam on the ship then fire its "400 gigawatts of particle energy."

 

Hey Antaran,
always something intresting. I''m going to refurbish the encyclopedia as soon as I get a chance with the new figures.

You're right about the bickering....and I hate it when I get caught Up in it ...I had erase those post because it's just not me to care about what jerks say...I'm ashamed I let Nasor get to me...

On the up side though it looks like the debate is settled in real terms once and for all.
I've two set of calculations on based on the tonnage of the Intrepid and the Other based on the 2.5 million metric tonne Scout ship. Both figures confirm that Star Wars is no where in the same weight class as Trek.

 

What the hell? Kitt's right, I put only about a few minutes each day on this thread (or the rest of SciForums lately). And you must also realize that it hasn't been the same members for the entire six years. (Why the hell do I even bother replying? He isn't coming back...)

 

I don't thing there is any star wars or trek fan that hasn't seen that video
It's hands down the best on the Tube.

A standstill...

 

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that video is a killer

congrats to the person(s) that had the patience to merge all that footage

 

Yes...

I've been hoping he does another but it's been more than a year..

 

Total: 221,171,032.7455 m^3 Removed.
Out of 28,094,464,000 m^3

The Percentage removed is .787240%

Preforming the same sort of equations to compare Voyager's 700,000 meteric Tonnes or the 2.5 million of the Scout ship to the Full size Cube comes too...

The Cube mass compared with Voyager's
Voyager's Mass: 700,000
Borg Cube Mass: 31,421,307,109.1334670 (Billion Metric Tonnes)


Thus the Mass Vaporized by Enterprise: 247,361,098.8594 MT( Hundred Million Metric Tonnes)


The Cube mass compared to the Borg Scout ship
Borg Scout Ship Mass: 2.5 million Metric TonnesBorg Cube: 561,889,280,000,000 Metric Tonnes


Thus the Mass Vaporized by Enterprise: 4,423,417,167,872 MT ( Trillion Metric Tonnes

247,361,098.8594 247 Million
4,423,417,167,872 4 Trillion

Either one is above and beyond the 2.3 Million Metric Tones Vaporized by the Imperial Star Destroy in Empire Strikes Back.

TNG's Q-Who definitively answer the question of who's weapons are more powerful. Obviously Star Trek by a long shot.

 

Star Wars Fans may ask: Where else is this incredible fire power?

Well, we've seen it at marked occasions

Q-Who TNG
Unnatrual Selection TNG: The Lantree completely vaporized by a single torpedo
Unification PartII: Warbird vaporizes three Vulcan transports in three shots.
Conundrum TNG: Enterprise Vaporizes several fighers in roughtly 2 to 3 seconds

DS9 was certainly full of Vaporizations of not just Transports but of warships as well by Base defenses.

 

i found those early posts of mine, here they are:
""The first blast lasts for about 1.1s. the blast hits the cube near the lower starboard edge and blasts trough, vaporising(no debrees or secondary explosions) all in its path and some of the surroundings. The result is hole wich spands ¼ the edge of the cube. If a cube has and side length of 3036m, this makes the hole 759m high. The facing width of the hole is roughly 2/3 its hight. Adjusted for 15 degrees angle this makes it 523m long. The starboard side is punctured as deep as about 2/5 the hight. Adjusted for the view angle it makes it 396m long. The shape of the whole looks like a quarter oval, with respected radiuses of 379.5m 523m and 396m. for simplicity ill take it’s a quarter sphere with average radius of 428m (R1*R2*R3)^0.33333. the actual volume vaporised is thus 82.1 million cubic meters.""


""After a 2-3 seconds they fire 2 more blasts. .... the first one drills a crater similar to the firs one, 750m high and 620m wide. It’s hard to say how deep it is. So the following estimates are less precise. For simplicity I’d say the hole is hemisphere with radius of 340m or 680m wide. This means the volume evaporated is 82 million cubic meters. Given the 0.8s burst it makes the blast capable of 102.5 million cubic meters/s evaporation rate. The final blast that hits the cube goes trough the tractor beam emitter and blasts a similar crater 380m high and 340m long. Assuming its hemispherical it has some 12 million cubic meters of volume, for an average of 20 million m^3/s rate. Far lower then the previous blasts. Did the Borg start to adapt already? Or did the tractor beam act as a shield (like in DS9, when Defiant was chased by a Vor’cha)? Who knows. The average rate of evaporation for the second salvo would be (82 million+12 million / 1.5s) 62.6 million m^3/s. near the 74.6 value for the first blast, however we can not say for shure ho deep do the craters go.""

or a total of 176 million cubic meters material removed, or 12m for the smallest, 82m for the medium and 82.1m for the corner crater. our diferences lie in the perspective. i asumed the craters were eliptical, thus smaller. as for the corner crater i asumed a 15 degrees angle of view and thus a more shallow hole. so we have 176+ VS 220+ million cubic meters. i need to find that episode again :scratchin:

 

Try these

Q-Who
http://www.sidereel.com/Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation/_watchlinkviewer/986

http://www.sidereel.com/Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation/_watchlinkviewer/1444

http://www.sidereel.com/Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation/_watchlinkviewer/1619

http://www.sidereel.com/Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation/_watchlinkviewer/199

TNG Generally
http://www.sidereel.com/Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation

 

That's Wrong...There is no Planetary shield in ESB or RoTJ.

In ESB the General says " An energy field protecting an area of the six planet of the Hoth System," It was not planetary.

In Return of the Jedi the Admiral (Ackbar) says...

"You can see hear the Death Star orbiting the Forrest Moon of Endor. Although the weapon systems of this Death Star are not yet operational, it is protected by a strong defense mechanism. It is protected by a energy shield emenating from the nearby Forrest Moon of Endor."

He says the field comes from the Forrest Moon not "protects the Forrest Moon." Also the graphics of the conference confirm that the field does not surround the Forrest Moon. But it would seem it does protect a certain area of the moon's surface preventing the landing of space ships.

While the Death Star is quite large it is nowhere hear a the size of a planet, thus there is no Planet size shields ever shown in any Star Wars movie.

 

well, typically it's said that planet scale shields are made by overlapping a large number of theatre shields. The problem is this has never been show in the movies.

 

Wow this thread is still going?!? Amazing. I was one of the OP's way back around page 20. That was 4 years ago.

Star Trek wins hands down. LOL. They can do everything Star Wars can and more. They have ships that are just as big, and bigger. And who cares about Dune? They wouldn't even have had a movie if it weren't for Patrick Stewart, so Dune wouldn't even exist without Star Trek!

Where are the Old-schoolers like OpteronGuy, Kron, and Roman?

Keep up the battle! We should turn this into the longest internet message board thread in history.