Nineteen years ago today, China's People's Liberation Army invaded Tiananmen Square, Beijing, in order to put an end to the protests going on there. Everyone seems to think that the Chinese government is now a modern, somewhat flexible and somewhat democratic institution nowadays, but they forget that it Deng Xiaoping, the refomer, and not of the old Maoists, that ordered the crackdown.
You can't have your cake and eat it too. You want reforms,but you don't want democracy. I'm surprised theres still debate on whether it happened or not. I'd think the IRC and various sources confirm some sort of even happened, even if there was not that many killed.
Of course I want democracy for China. I can't stand communism. The point is, everyone thinks that things like the Tiananmen Square incident are a thing of the past, but the Chinese government is still an oppressive and corrupt system. They block internet sites like Youtube and Wikipedia, the persecute religious adherents, they jail reformers and lawyers and unionists.
You want democracy for China but Chinese people do not want democracy. You Westerners are so ignorant and always think what you want is what everyone wants. China has been like this for thousands of years. Our way of life and culture is completely different. E.g Our heroes in movies or books always dies while hollywood movies nearly always have their heroes survive. You do not understand Chinese culture so do not talk for us. If you don't like Chinese people just say it. Don't try to hide your racism and blame it on the government. 80million Chinese are members of the communist party. And yeah i watch youtube and wikipedia in China. Donnow what ur raving on about. Just another white guy talking crap about something he doesn't understand or know. Go watch some more FOX news or something and 'educate' yourself.
Retaxis: don't try to tell me that democracy doesn't complement Chinese culture, because the Taiwanese have proven that notion to be false. In Taiwan, a culturally Chinese country, democracy is thriving. Also, if you think all the Chinese are happy about the Communist system, read Will the Boat Sink the Water by Chen Guidi and Wu Chuntao. It's about the corruption and scandals of local governance in rural China. I believe that your ideas about American culture are quite mistaken as well. You say that in Chinese books the hero usually dies. Well, it's the same way in Shakespeare. Othello, Hamlet, etc. And if Youtube and Wikipedia are not banned in China, I'm sorry, I've read that they were. I stand corrected. And you can't deny the government's persecution of religious adherents, lawyers, and unionists. “People have always said foreign investment is the hope of China. This is our bridge to the world. But what comes across the bridge are 12-hour shifts, seven-day workweeks and only two trips to the bathroom a day. What comes across are factory fires that kill hundreds of workers who are locked in because their bosses are afraid they will steal the products. The Chinese government has put an invisible net across the bridge that allows money to come in but not the freedoms of a civil society, not the rule of law and not free trade unions. China must let the workers talk. That’s the first thing. They must release the pressure.” - Han Dongfang, Chinese dissident
And by the way, I know a lot more about Chinese history and culture than you might expect. And no, I'm not racist against Chinese.
Why didn't they keep revolting/protesting after Tiananmen? Would it have been a revolutionary war or a civil war?
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They weren't revolutionaries. They were citizens who wanted political reform in their country. They weren't trying to overthrow the government, just trying to get it to serve their interests better.
Because people started getting wealthy. People then forgot. It was saddening to see chinese uni students never remember Tiananmen square.
If the chinese people do not want democracy. Why did they protest in 1989 ? They may not want democracy now, because the growing middle class have grown comfortable. The moment that changes, the political balance tips.
Retaxis does not speak like the majority of Chinese. He does, however, speak like the majority of young urban Chinese. Keep in mind some 900 million of the population are still essentially peasants. One of the most amazing things about this country is that the older generation are more vocal about their differences of opinion and the young tow the party line like it's a religious text. I suppose it's natural given that the older generation have seen the government in action while the younger only know the money flowing through the cities. Wikipedia was censored for at least the last year up until a month ago. And it probably seems lame for me to say it again to those who've been paying attention, but for the sake of clarity... I live in China.
Thats right , you do, Hows that working out for ya?. It's like animal farm, where the foals/dogs are indoctrinated from youth and fiercely protect their leaders (CCP). Interesting. Of course, due to their wealth and economic influence, China is not going to be opposed by mere tokenism.
Sounds a lot like Islam, religious indoctrinated from youth and fiercely protect their leaders and the Ummah.
Shooting students is par for the course even in democracies. And sometimes even shooting students are par for the course.
