the deeper approuch to the technology dilemma

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  1. ak.R Registered Member

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    "Today’s early nanoethics literature evinces our postmodern inability to seriously
    discuss questions of ethics, and it reveals just how parched the language
    of academic ethics has become. What are the great social goods we seek
    to preserve? What are the high human goods we wish to defend?
    Those
    involved in nanoethics seem uninterested, unwilling, or unable to engage
    these deeper questions. The oft-heard refrain—that ethics has to “keep
    up” or “catch up” or “evolve” with advances in technology—is a prescription
    for a shallow and reactive ethics, one that ignores the questions that
    matter most."

    taken from the new Atlantis journal: Nanoethics as a Discipline by Adam Keiper, spring 2007
     
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  3. draqon Banned Banned

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    human ethics you mean? the ethics of new technology influencing our society is indeed a prevalent one, the standard to which we need oblige to abstain from the difficulties induced by the ethical dilemmas presented by technology, well this standard should be based on the balance of what we seek and what others seek for themselves and how well this technology meshes with our world.

    What I am saying is that this nanotechnology does indeed need to have to be designed with consideration of privacy protection for example.
     
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  5. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    This is a biased view. They present the modern study of ethics as though its purpose is to modify our ethical principles and discard what we've learned about good and evil.

    The purpose of the modern study of ethics is to preserve what we've learned about good and evil and discover how to apply it to an increasingly complex world. The overriding concern of modern man is situational ethics, which is the dilemma we face when two ethical principles conflict, or when oversimplified ethical statements from earlier eras don't give us a clear mandate.

    The classic situational ethics problem: You're driving your pregnant wife to the hospital as she's going into labor, on a high-speed highway. Suddenly a child darts out into the road from the right. You can steer to the left and barely miss him... but then a nurse who was walking along the road rushes out from the left in an earnest but doomed attempt to save him. There's not enough space to miss both of them.

    What do you do? Hit the child at 60mph, certain death? Kill the nurse instead? Or swerve over the embankment?

    The nurse has volunteered for the risk, but still she might be the sole support of her family, and in any case her death would be a loss to society. Crashing your car will almost certainly kill you, your wife, or her fetus, will probably kill two of you, and could easily kill all three, versus the single death in both other alternatives.

    What do you do?

    There's no prescription for this situation. What we've done as a society is to limit access to high-speed highways, reducing the probability of this event occurring. We've shortened the stopping distance of cars so that you might avoid hitting anybody, or at least hit them at a lower and more survivable speed. We've also taken the steel bullets off the front of radiator grills so they don't impale people, lowered cars so they push people up into the air instead of knocking them down and squashing them, and softened hoods so when the airborne victim lands he doesn't hit the cast-iron engine block. Finally, we've installed safety belts and air bags in cars so if you do go down the embankment all three of you might survive.

    All of these advances in road safety, in aggregate, have resulted in a huge decline in traffic deaths. But they come at a cost. What we spend on highway improvements is surplus wealth that we can't spend on schools and emergency clinics. The safety features on cars are one of the reasons cars have become so expensive that many people have to drive dangerous old run-down jalopies, bicycles, motorcycles and scooters, greatly increasing their individual chance of a fatal accident.

    This is how modern technology impacts our ethics. We don't have to change the rules, we just have to apply them more proactively, and this involves statistical decisions. Ethics today are tied up with many of the pillars of adult morality, such as deferred gratification, risk management, and cost-benefit analysis. These are complicated, difficult decisions, and not ones you're going to resolve by re-reading the bible.

    And that's just an obvious situation that any American could encounter. Don't get me started on the problems of the "Golden Rule." If your daughter's school caught fire, you would demand that the firemen come and rescue her. There are women in Saudi Arabia who would rather die than be pulled out of a burning building by a man. (At least so we are told by the men in Saudi Arabia who insist that they speak for "their" women.)
     
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  7. ak.R Registered Member

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    Dear Draqon, the dilemma with technology advancement centers about the fact that technology can help solve many human problems while creating its own dangerous problems..
    some people think that tech. advance. is beyond human control and subscribe to technological determinism.
    if the above is not correct; than human societies can indeed influence the direction of tech. advancement..
    given the upcoming huge capabilities and dangers of modern technology, I tend to agree with the author of the post; we need to state clearly our priorities as a society, and as citizens of the world.. not doing so, will waste many remaining opportunities for a humane management of tech. advancement..
    so my friend what are those???.
     
  8. ak.R Registered Member

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    Dear Fraggle Rocker, I tend to see the intention of this quote differently.. for us to make decisions about future technology investment and applications, we ought also to use a preemptive ethical approach.. that is by stating our core values and their logical implications with regard to major aspects of our live.

    the choice of a personal vehicle lead among other things also to addiction to oil, and to the greenhouse effect, and to many other serious problems..
    interestingly when at the beginning of the car industry a commission at the states studied the possible dangereous repercussion of this technology, they stated as a main negative consequence: the dust that will be produced by the automobile!!.

    are we able -in retrospect- to soften the effects of upcoming critical technologies, as we might have done with the automobile ??.
    or do we need early on, to post limitations; and if we can, where lies the border..are n`t we close enough to evoke or address a grand scale ethical issue?...
     
  9. kmguru Staff Member

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    Some people like us (yours truly) are applying technology for the long term benefit of several African countries. What we learned from our mistakes, we can fix for them now so that they do not go through the same mistakes again. The problem is for the last 50 years, idiots were pushing the Africans to follow out footsteps and make the same mistakes again and again.

    Because public enterprises are short term profit oriented, it is difficult to look ahead and create an environment without strong leadership. Only social engineers (engineers with strong understanding of social implications) can fix these issues.
     
  10. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    First of all we need to accept that if it was not for technology we would still have the same ethics we had 6,000 years ago, mainly kill or be killed or that human sacrifice is needed for the sun to rise, etc, What we have learned about morality and ethics so far as been a vast improvement, but it is foolish to say what we now know is right and that we should not change our ethics more.
     
  11. ak.R Registered Member

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    Dear Kmquru, your reference to strong leadership appears to me very important.. I think that such a leadership can only be based on ethical standards and logical consistency..
    this could be the only way to create political capital that can manage safely crucial social changes with long term effects and implications, while maintaining critical democratic feedback ..
    the demise of ideology in politics, drove politics to low level grounds; instant success, corruption, irresponsibility, economic priorities, special interests... appears to be out of control and are becoming the norm..

    BTW, it still always surprises me, when i study present and historical societal behavior, the level of learning inability of societies compared to individuals learning capacity, I think it is worth serious considerations and we might draw some important practical conclusions about that..
     
  12. ak.R Registered Member

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    Dear electric Fetus, a recent study done by researcher Steven Pinker claims that violence indeed has diminished.. the phenomenon is fractal; that is, it is measurable at various levels, starting with individual and ending up with humanity at large..
    remember technology is a dilemma; so it is not practical nor the intention of the author to renounce technology as such.

    for the society to state its priorities clearly, is an act of self recognition, that will help in managing present contradictions and futile endeavors.
    it is also a democratizing force; because it gives individuals clear criteria with which to judge leadership and management..
     
  13. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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    Why do we need any new ethics for nanotechnology? I am actively doing laboratory research into nanotechnology at a major university, and so far I haven't noticed any need for new ethics. The ordinary ethics that one uses for every other aspect of life seem to be sufficient.

    Also, I can’t help but suspect that the vast majority of people writing about “nanotech ethics” don’t actually have a clue about nanotech. How many of them would be capable of reading and understanding an issue of the Journal of Nanomaterials? I suspect very, very few. I suspect they are mainly liberal-arts types who are just looking for a hot new area that they can try to be controversial and self-important about.
     
  14. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    They fear a "grey goo" event, even though the technology at this time is just an off shoot of material science: it like worrying about robots taking over back in 1850, and demanding that regulations be placed on the gear-churning analog number counters of the day.
     
  15. kmguru Staff Member

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    You do need ethics in every aspect of life. Even in Consumer Credit, without robust ethics, the society suffers and the long term effect can be social implosion as it is happening now witch may peak by 2011.

    I am glad you are doing research in nanotechnology. Just imagine this scenario. You create an engineered bacteria to eat material and produce usuful nano materials as a production process. While the material itself may be harmless, what happens if the self-replicating bacteria escape from the lab? They might come out as cloud and eat everyones car for lunch....or what if a specific nano-particle when inhaled blocks the oxygen transfer in the human lungs and microphages are unable to neutralize the invader?

    While that is partially true, there are engineers as repoters too. We used to have a lot of engineers as reporters in sixties and seventies due to space race, but those groups are retiring replaced by idiots....
     
  16. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    We deal with some of these problems as they occur, most of this is already biomedical research and must pass FDA testing for safty. Most engineered organism are uncompetitive with natural life and are very unlikely to survive outside the lab. For example the work I do with immobilizing enzymes in silica and magnetic nanobeads, I can't see any potiental harmful side effects (these are not meant for human ingestion), in fact the biocatalysis produced will be more environmentally friendly then the existing caustic catalysis.
     
  17. kmguru Staff Member

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    Little knowledge is dangerous - FDA is only in USA and overworked that is why the Heparin fiasco. And they will police the whole planet? A Muslim biochemist in Indonesia can cook up all types of enzymes....I was talking about engineered bacterias/microbes...like the Pseudomonas aeroginosa...and if they are genetically modified....the unintened consequences can be troublesome....
     
  18. ak.R Registered Member

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    Dear Nasor, I do not think that the author meant to establish a new ethic for nanotechnology, but rather emphasized the need for a serious ethical study considering implications that are asserted by experts to be close by..

    I think it is Einstein who once said that: "the atom bomb did not create a problem, but it emphasized the need to solve existing ones".

    off course the scope of nanotechnology is extremely wide and appears in most cases to be harmless. although there are even with simple (loose) materials some uncertainty with regard to toxicity due to special reactivity...

    however, please consider the great potential presented by the multipurpose exponential molecular manufacturing technology, as perceived by some experts in the fields. according to those the establishment of such a technique is imminent, that is in few years!!.
     
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  19. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    I worry more about them make The Bomb. I have no problem with making rules and standard and oversight, even global standards, but that is not us the scientist and engineers problem, that is something we need to get the politicians and governments to do.
     
  20. kmguru Staff Member

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    The N. Bombs are not easy to build. Knowing how to build (if that can be done by the brainwashed people) and building it hidden without state support are two different items. More likely, they will buy one in black market again with some serious state support...

    When politicians and lawyers try to solve engineering problems, that is when trouble begins...that is where critical thinking is needed...
     
  21. draqon Banned Banned

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    anyone know have there been plans to map Uranium on planets other than Earth?
     
  22. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Engineering problems?!?! Telling GMO companies to make their products sterile is not an engineering problem!, unless your asking us to try to graft spines to politician's cartilaginous backs.
     
  23. ak.R Registered Member

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    I think we should be seriously worried about the new trend of transforming very destructive weapons with almost perpetual damage to the environment, into so called tactical weapons; which off course means making them easier to handle, to apply, and to purchase.

    once these kind of weapons are developed with such an ease, we should not blame only the terrorist for grabbing them..

    I do not think that mining planets for uranium is profitable at this juncture; mainly due to transport costs..
     

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