.999... Equals exactly 1.

Assigning mass to a photon is not logical, but you know that already.

Assigning a specific mass-energy to a photon is completely off-the-wall, but you know that already.

How could each and every photon have an energy equivalent to exactly 10^-53 kg, when E = hv, and v is variable (ex: 'blue' photons have a different v than 'red' photons)? The number you are quoting is a theoretical upper limit, and so, should obviously not be applied in the way that you imply.

Am I misinterpreting what you're saying, or were you just making fun the banality of the entire .999 ~ 1 "debate"?

 

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its not, its a limit...I am a believer in string theory, the mass of photons is different from my point of view because strings of energy are never in the same location for any particle at any time.

 

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Do you have anything I can read on this? Not even sure what I would search for..it's kinda interesting.

haha, take it easy..I was accusing myself of hijacking.

 

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just read up on string theory. Watch some google videos (BBC made).

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...=18&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=8

called "The Elegant Universe"

 

Well I meant more of what you meant when you said

 

you dont understand it? you dont agree to it? whats the problem?

:bugeye:​

 

"they say that photon does not have mass (which it does 10^-50g)"

Then why make statements like this?

That's kind of funny how I said it's an upper limit, then you truncate my quote and repeat what I said, making it sound like I was the one who was confused. Whatever.

The point of an upper limit is that there is still a chance that it's actually 0. So don't go interpreting it as a fact, when it's certainly anything but. Perhaps an analogy will help: The theoretical upper limit of my opinion of your scientific integrity is "superb", but in actuality, it's nowhere close to that. Quit dancing around and post some real information about this "string theory" thing that you're referring to, otherwise you're just using a prop. I enjoy general relativity (and string theory) too much to have it used in such a way.

 

Maybe I am missing something shouldn't those be summations of \(\frac{9}{10^i}\)

 

Well allright than...I interpret it as a fact or the assumption by me that it is not a 0 because the upper limit of 10^-53g exists and mathematicians interpret it as 0 as a fact which it is not because upper limit of 10^-53g is only an upper limit so it can be in between that and the 0.

So its all just assumptions.

 

the assumptious definition is what is being quoted here.

 

No mathematician in their right mind would equate 0 to the unweighted range of 0 through 10^-53 inclusive.

 

physics and mathematics are different thing. Physics is reality. Do you agree or do you not agree to what is being stated in the prestigious highly notable physics journal I have quoted?

 

It makes more sense to say that the infinity must have an equavalent measureable set to constitute the limit of infinity. E.g. aleph_0 + aleph_0 = aleph_0. This would explain the expansion and contraction behavior of the universe. Conspansion would explain the evolution of a universe of any size (finite) or sizelessness (infinite). The evolution of lifeforms is evolving along with the universe. Nature itself is evolving in its own selectiveness.

 

In reality numbers have no physical properties. So, how is it you can talk about how 1 relates to other numbers?

And why does everyone refute the 0.999... = 1 claim by bringing photons into the discussion?

MY CLAIM... The rules of mathematics are a SUPERSET of the rules that reality go by.

Proof: Pick any rule of reality. It can be described mathematically. QED.

Huh? Infinity isn't a function for which a limit can be investigated.

This paper fails to address mathematical axioms.

 

The OP said something about 0.111... so the whole point of my post was to address, in lazy mathematical laymen's terms, what 0.111... means and how we write it in strict mathematical notation.

 

reality is I am self-conscious, mathematical equation please with me as a variable

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English, please.

 

You claim anything can be expressed in mathematics. Well express my consciousness of self.

 

I said anything in reality can. Metaphysical stuff isn't what I would call "reality." Things like physics and the like predict the rules of how the physical universe operate. Describing free-will with mathematics is a bit contradictory, isn't it?

But then this is why I don't believe free-will exists... an unannounced willed action would cause an unpredictable reaction. In the long run, this would create large-scale chaos on the macro level (butterfly effect). In billions of years of existence, I think it's safe to say that only microlevel chaos exists... but even there, I'm not so sure it is chaos.

 

well there you go all an assumption by you and me. I believe in free will and you do not. Meanwhile here we are talking to each other, being ourselves...which is undefined.