Our attitude concerning mockery of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon

Imagine you see a vicious dog running towards a little girl. You have a knife in your pocket.

Do you

-make a movie about it?
-draw ridiculous cartoons?
-write to the local paper or RSPCA
-talk to the dog
-read him his rights
-fight him before he attacks the girl
-wait to see if he attacks a girl then fight him?

You can substitute the dog with "man with gun" and girl with your daughter and then tell me what you consider are the morally correct options available to you, Mr smartass.

And what is your rational and moral compass for determining the correctness of your chosen course of action.

 

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Religion should never have anything to do with self-defense, violence, war, whatever you want to call it. Religions are about gods, not about prescribing war.

Try thinking about that instead of regurgitating scriptural nonsense.

 

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Sam, don't be another idiot. You can create every scenario you want, but the bottom line is that religion should have nothing to do with prescribing violence or war.

Try thinking about instead of providing rhetoric.

 

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There is NEVER a valid reason to kill someone for drawing a cartoon. There is NEVER a valid reason to get on a bus full of innocent civilians with a bomb vest and killing everyone on board. There is NEVER a valid reason to fly planes into buildings to kill thousands of innocent people. There is NEVER a valid reason to kill someone for naming a teddy bear after one of their students. And yet the followers of Islam seem to act like these are all perfectly fine reasons to kill people.

 

In your idea about religion perhaps. But if you are a parent, would you bring up your child with the notion that violence is always wrong or would you also teach your child how to defend himself or herself for self defense in case of attack?

According to me, knowing how and when to use force is as important as knowing how and when not to. Anything else is unrealistic.

Theism is about gods, religion is a set of beliefs and practices and have everything to do with day to day life.

You did not answer the question btw. I want to know what is your response and what moral compass is your justification for it.

If you see things through your prism perhaps. The fact that the west has been incarcerating, torturing and killing Muslims for the last seven years in the hundreds of thousands and using religion as a tool to demonise them is incidental.

 

And there we have it. Because of Iraq S.A.M. thinks it is OK to kill people for riding a bus, drawing cartoons, naming a teddy bear, etc.. You're quite despicable.

 

No because of Iraq/Afghanistan and its consequences, many Muslims feel they are being targeted only for their religion.

And in many cases, they are.

http://www.qantara.de/webcom/show_article.php/_c-478/_nr-298/i.html

Thats a lot of pent up hostility right there, just waiting match to tinder.

 

Unfortunately for you Islam is a religion and a lifestyle and it deals with every aspect that may arise. Naturally conflicts between humans will take place. And Islam would not be a complete, perfect religion and lifestyle if it did not deal with eveything, including conflicts. Your criteria as to what a perfect religion and lifestyle may or may not conain is irrelevant. Maybe you should try to get that through your head before regurgitating the same tired nonsense youve been at for a day and provide proof that Muslims claimed persecution and selfdefense to wage aggressive wars and whether they had any right to claim that or not.

 

Ofcourse there isnt. Who said there was? :shrug: Have you even been reading what weve been saying? Weve been talking about self-defense seeing as how Q has now noticed that Islam indeed does not allow for aggressive wars or conquest. And if you had read what id posted, youd see tonnes of fatwas against terrorists and denouncements of terrorism and 9/11 by Muslims themselves and how those terrorists did unislamic things. But then, for that youd have to get your head out of ur ass for at least a couple of minutes...

 

I see denunciation from you Arsalan but S.A.M. keeps bringing up points to justify these killings. We can only assume that he approves of such measures.

 

Well first off, I would expect that God would probably do absolutely nothing at all to help this girl so if I use Him as my moral compass and guide, I suppose that means that morally I should do nothing to help her, as well.

Perhaps then, under these circumstances my own thoughts of compassion and my own desire to help this girl could be regarded as immoral, a sin, and against the apparent will of God. After all I probably should not interfere with the freewill of this girl or even the dog if God Himself will not do this either, should I? I certainly have no authority to go against the will of God and help her, do I?

In addition, most of the "sacred" scriptures eventually end up teaching that pain and suffering is good for the soul and can even help bring a person to salvation. This again makes my thoughts of compassion and desire to help her an evil thing, for if I help her I might end up preventing what could have resulted in her "salvation". So I clearly cannot help her on this basis either!

Why does it have to be so complicated anyway?

Disregarding all of the above as basically insanity... ...and with God apparently failing as a model (by example) for moral behavior...

I would try to help this girl in any way that I could, simply because of love for her, because I know it is right to do so.

 

Shes not justifiying killing innocent people. Shes merely portraying the side of the argumen so often lost by people like you. The argument that there is more to these actions than merely religion.

 

That would be a valid point if Islam did not teach to protect people, especially children and women, from any danger they may be in. Its called love and compassion for other humans and is widely found in Islamic religious teachings.

Thats the kind of punishment which you cannot do something about. Islam teaches that if you can do something about your curren situation then do it, but dont transgress.

 

But does not each individual base the label "perfect religion" on their own personal criteria? What may seem perfect to one person may not seem so to another.

 

That is actually unfortunate for all non-Muslims, especially the fact that your religion prescribes the violence and war Muslims are involved or initiate.

Yes, and we attempt NOT to use violence to solve those conflicts. Certainly, it would great folly to turn to religion in this regard.

Your propaganda and fabrications don't fly.

Yes, it is irrelevant to the brainwashed, indoctrinated cultist.

 

Whatever I teach my children, it would never be reflected from the Abrahamist cult, or any other cult.

You have a brain, don't you? Use it.

That is the contention of all thiests, who are under the delusion their religion IS that of day to day life.

You and other theists make the same critical error, that of assuming morals have anything to do with cults.

Troll warning in effect!

 

Then I fear what you will teach them, considering your own ideas and values are based on hatred of religion and theists.

 

Do you ever get tired of being wrong? I despise religions/cults. I have nothing against people.

Will you teach your children gods, angels and demons exist?
Will you teach your children the moon was split in half?
Why would lie to your children, Sam?

 

We've already demolished that myth.

I would teach them what my parents taught me.

That tolerance and compassion is necessary for a healthy society.

 

I didn't know stupidity and gullibility could be taught. You learn something new every day.

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