Iran trys to get holland to ban dutch mp's film about the "violence provoking koran"

I doubt you've seen the movie, or you would not be spouting such gibberish.

 

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Then, Muslims are all hypocrites.

 

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No more than those who only cry freedom of expression when its Muslims they are attacking. But want to ban the Quran when its up to them.

 

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No, much more. In fact, well beyond any reasonable doubt.

Your argument is either fallacious or you lying. Muslims have nothing to do with the film, which is based entirely on Islam.

 

Duh.

So if he were to have been sucessful in banning the Quran, it would be nothing to do with Muslims?

Tell him:

 

Irrelevant. Stay on topic. This is about a film, not about banning the Quran. Once again, and again and again, you are free to comment on other things, but stop highjacking threads to do it.

 

The thread is about Iran asking to ban the film and Wilders crying freedom of expression. The same Wilders who is okay with Mein Kampf being banned, who wants no Muslims in his country, no mosques, no Islam and who petitioned to have the Quran banned.

 

So because muslims live in our countries we are supposed to conform & become a police state, or else we get our mp's or journalists or movie moguls shot or there throats slashed.

Already there are dozens of new laws the british have to conform to all because the muslim fanatics have force our gov. to act.

The way it is going the uk like most european countries will be like pakistan in 20 years time, no freedoms, no democracy, just soldiers to launder all the countries money.

All so we can be PC & not upset the cuckoo in the nest, kneel, bow, pander, we must but criticise we can not.

From what i gather the muslim youth are on the rampage in denmark again, holland, france, when & where does it stop?

Its not us who needs to conform its them, its our culture not theres.

Sam,
you seem to think all of europe & america needs to give up all our freedoms & democracy won by many wars, and let muslims tell us what we can print, what we can say, & what movies we can make.

I remember a gay movie about a afghanistan boy last year, the kid & his family had to leave afganistan courtesy of sony or paramount picture for his own safety & live in the states, all because muslims cant handle homosexual films.

So sam lets do it your way 1st ban all criticism about islam worldwide, then as they want more concessions, then we ban all gay characters in movies & on TV, then we ban all porn movies & any actress can only be seen showing her eyelashes.

Sam you really need to grow up, your very answers to people are pathetic, the idea you study science is laughable, you cant see past your nose.

 

That is the extent of the OP. Now, try and stay on topic.

 

So we are not talking about "the Dutch", or "the Muslims", or even freedom of expression - we are talking about whether this bigot is a bigot

and whether having a bigot around is a sufficient cause for death threats and violence from immigrants ?

The Quran is not banned. Wilder's film is not banned. The Dutch seem to have it figured out. Do the recent immigrants have it figured out ?

 

No one is asking to ban criticism of Islam. But showing semi naked women on a prayer mat or tearing or burning the Quran is not criticism. It is provocation.

If a man circulates naked pictures of your mother that is not a valid criticism of her, no matter how ugly she looks without her clothes.

 

Its called DEMOCRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He can say what he wants, he can petition for robert mugabe to be installed as the dutch prime minister, what someone says, & what the country does is another matter, he says no to islam, no to mosques, who cares waht he says???
Is he prime minister no, what are you saying we should put him in jail?

You have your head so stuck in countries that have no democracy, you cant seem to grasp we can say whatever we want to say, its called democracy again.

Look this word up & see what it means, judging by one muslim photo earlier in the thread our democracy means terroism to them, yeah where terroising the world with words.

Why are they so scared of words?

 

That's too bad, isn't it? The problem lies not in the provocation, but in the resulting action.

Irrelevant. Totally off topic.

 

The Quran is a book with paper inside, the bible is a book with paper inside, printed by man, as a scientist you should know that, what you think it has mystic powers, its the holy grail what?


"semi naked women on a prayer mat"

We were born naked what is your point, in what chapter of the bible or the Quran is there a dress code, & what shops do they say we must shop at wallmart, gucci?????

How come animals cant dress up like us, does god not allow animals to wear clothes?
Or is it because we have a brain & can make pretty little clothes.

You & muslims need to get your heads around this clothes issue, it just makes you all look stupid.
God is no fashion designer is he????????????????????

 

So the aim is not criticism, is it? Its provocation.

 

Meh, there are a lot of banned films in the West as well as in other non-Muslim countries. Nothing anti-semitic is allowed to be published in most countries. Arabs are semitic therefore they may make a claim if they wish. Also, attacking Judasim is now seen as anti-semitism, same should apply for other religions.

Fact of the matter is that Wilders is an islamophobic nazi. If he really wanted to talk about religion and violence, he should first start with the religion he deems to be the core in his country.

 

Relax, people, it's not as if the movie declares muslims to be the "worst of creatures", or something along those lines. Or does it?

Now, that would be nasty, indeed.

 

it's funny that you think people should be taxed for their beliefs, hired differentially for their beliefs, and if you were a polytheistic Arab, murdered for your beliefs - - but Ooo Hooo Hoooo don't talk bad about the Qur'an. No no no ... just won't do.


If the Qur'an is Perfect then you have nothing to worry about. I mean come on, a Perfect book could never be used to promote hate and murder. Well, unless that was part of the "real world" ooo oooo could be a problem here...

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OMG - what is your point? Ergo they deserve to be murdered? Are Muslims animals that can't deal with a bit of "provocation"?

Where was SAM when piss Christ was made?

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So SAM - can we have a picture of piss-Quran? I actually own a Qur'an. Can I piss on it and take a photograph? Or is that too provocotive? What about a Piss-Mohammad? Is that OK? Or should such an artist be murdered?


Please!


If Muslims don't like freedom or expression then they can go live in KSA hid their women under a rug and hang witches. The rest of us are moving into the next century. Hopefully by the end of this one we are free of most superstitutions.

Michael

 

I like that word! Nice one, Michael. :thumbsup: