Thanks bells for finding this, if both AI and ICRC are complaining about something its serious, not left wing bullshit (as sandy would put it) That not only makes it illgal under US law but unconsitutional as well What can i say, oh yea right HUMAN RIGHTS VILOLATION Breaches of the international convention against torcher Not even going to coment on how discusing this bit is Viewed on the 31\01\08 at 11:16 So it breaches your OWN laws as well as international law YAY BUSH IS THE BEST PRESIDENT EVER? Just for those who arnt sandy and maybe interested in the full text, i have only read the introduction to get these quotes. Its MUCH longer
You'd have to wonder just how bad things are at Gitmo that someone at the ICRC leaked their report and they then confirmed the findings of the leak. Lets not forget, the ICRC have refused to testify against people who have committed acts of genocide in the past to maintain their neutrality. From Sandy's link: Yes. How dare they! How dare they protest the inhumane treatment and torture of detainees and how dare they "kick up a fuss" that the detainees are not granted the same POW rights as assigned by the Geneva Convention (a convention that the US is a party to)!Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! How dare they expect the US to be capable of treating its prisoners in a humane manner!?! Sandy, your protests only reiterate just how fucked up your administration is in the eyes of the international community. You have lost EVERY high ground you could have had in regards to human rights abuses in despotic regimes. You have given credence to tyrannical regimes who torture and kill their 'detainees', because if anyone dares to accuse them of it, they can now point their finger at the US and say 'they do it too and they are the supposed bastion of democracy and freedom'.. A despot like Mugabe can now torture and kill his opponents and refer to them as 'terrorist' and the US will have absolutely no grounds to say it is inhumane or illegal, because the US itself participates in similar behaviour. It is an absolute disgrace. And I can assure you, things must be bad for an organisation like the Red Cross to actually leak information and then to admit the information contained in the leaked report is in fact correct. Because these are the same people who witnessed over 800,000 be killed in 100 days and refused to testify against the killers so they would not lose their neutral status. So for them to speak out about Gitmo and the US Government in such a fashion.. well.. it must be really bad.
Speaking of BS, you appear to accept the BS that a valid way to catch the terrorists is to offer money to people for "information"; the default intelligence gathering strategy. This does achieve a purpose though: it gives some people in Iraq and Afghanistan a way to get money from the US military--they hand over thousands for information, and it doesn't even have to be real, just mention "terrorist" or "jihad" and point at someone, easiest loot some of them probably ever made. After all. it isn't like it matters whether they arrest any real jihadis or not (the ones that the CIA used to be friendly with and give money and weapons to), just as long as enough towel-heads end up behind bars or in cages where the military can torture confessions out of them. As long as it looks like something is being done, who cares if it has any real effect? It's not like the lives of these people matter to anyone, is it?
Does anyone know what the US means by " RENDERING" ? It's a euphemism fot transporting prisoners to countries where they can be tortured on behalf of the US which can them claim that America does not practise torture. One US plane made a refuelling stop at a base in the UK without declaring what it was carrying.It was subsequently admitted that it contained prisoners who were being taken abroad. That caused outrage here and put Blair in a tight spot because he claimed not to have foreknowledge of what the US was doing. Has any of this been given publicity in the US ? It may still be going on, for all I know , and it is besmirching the good name of Americans who would never tolerate such brutal behaviour.
sandy how do you know that the "terrorists" arnt people who are speaking out against the goverment? Great way to shut them up isnt it
And I thought you couldn't surprise me. Every Empire crumbles from within, and I have no doubt that people like you will be amongst those that cause its fall. So, I suppose I should thank you in a way. You can either persecute an enemy as a fair and humane manner in accordance with your values, or you can be just as evil and ruthless as them.
I have no use for terrorists. I want them all destroyed. They are the vile scum of the earth. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
I noticed you ignored my post sandy. Whats to stop the goverment calling YOU a terrioust? Your never tried and rot in prision with no access to habis corpius. edit to add: im sure we would all miss you thoughPlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
What terrorists are you speaking of? Have they been proven of being terrorists? Our legal system is why we're are free country and because of idiotic values voters like yourself we are slowly becoming police state. Do you even care about those who are wrongly incarcerated as "terrorists"? I don't claim there is no such thing as radical fundamentalist islamists but not every person who we capture is a member of the bullshit, James Bond villian-esque group called "Al-Qaeda"! Watch the documentary "The Power of Nightmares". It's a well made BBC documentary by an incredible documentarian. It's three hours long and it's about the rise of neoconservatism and fundamentalist islamism. Please watch it Sandy, I think you'll actually learn something.
Put me on ignore. Do not ever address me again. And stop PMing me. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Fine ignore him sandy AND ANSWER THE BLOODY QUESTION What is to stop the goverment accussing YOU of being a terrioust and locking YOU up without trial because your incoveniant?
as are you. Idiots such as yourself are viler than the islamists. They at least have a belief that is deeper than your pathetic attempt at having a political ideology.
Answer my questions! If you have data that makes sense and isn't neoconservatist jingoism nor metaphysical in its basis than I'll consider your point of view. However because you seem to believe that America is God's chosen country, must invade foreign lands for economic purposes and supporting these decisions by claiming the actions were committed to "free" the people and that our legal system is some how protecting the terrorists, I have to say you are an awful person.
Back on topic: The Chicago Sun-Times reports on the Tony Rezko-connected donations that Barack Obama accepted. Most of them are from Muslims and Arabs: http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/01/the_barack_obam.html No connection to muslims my @ss. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
The comments on that article were enough to make my blood boil. I'm not an Obama supporter. I think he is too corporate. But that is bullshit about him being dangerous for receiving donations from arabs and muslims. What is wrong with being either. And last I checked our country has multmillion dollar weapons contracts with Saudi Arabia. Next it's more dangerous that politicians accept money and contributions from corporations. Over time it will slowly get worse, as our country becomes more and more a facist corporate state of compulsory consumerism.
