Free Energy (off topic posts from the Religion forum)

But sometimes scientists can be like religious fundamentalists. For example, when someone has built a machine that produces free energy they refuse to accept it because it's against their laws.

 

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That's because it's against ANY law.

 

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You're talking as though someone actually has built such a machine, and that it is cranking out free energy as we speak. :bugeye:

 

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Don't bother yourself with him. Really... it's time wasted..

 

Doesn't our sun do just that? It creates its own energy by itself.

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If you see it like that, so does a car engine..

 

Yes, but the energy isn't free. The sun will eventually consume its fuel and die, just like every other star.

 

How's that? A car engine must be fed gasoline by a human to keep it going and it breals down due to wear and tear.

 

See tom2's post above yours.

 

But the sun doesn't have to import its fuel, it readily has fuel that lasts millions of years. It creates its own energy by a fusion process unlike any other known types of energy sources that we know of today.

 

It imported it at one point. Anyway, the point is it isn't free.
If we built a fusion reactor here on earth it would produce immense amounts of energy, but it still wouldn't be free.

 

So what?

Right, millions of years. Not for eternity. That's the whole point.

It isn't really creating energy. It is releasing the energy already present in its fuel. There's nothing free about it.

What are they teaching you kids in school these days, anyway?

 

That's not the same thing as free energy. Free energy implies something from nothing. The sun is something from something.

 

None of this has anything to do with the idea of "free energy".

 

No perpetual motion machines work. If they did, it would revolutionize science. You are incorrect that scientists would ignore it. Scientists are eager to have the basic laws of nature overturned.

In fact, a similar situation already happened with cold fusions. I know a prominent scientist who dropped what he was doing just to investigate this.

 

a perpetual motion machine that runs on magnetic energy is no different from a perpetual motion machine like a wind generator or a waterwheel.

scientists say that such machines are not perpetual motion machines because they receive energy from the environment but that's not true because all objects receive energy from the environment, otherwise they wouldn't even exist (they would die).

a river flows forever because it always gets energy from it's mother, the ocean. waterwheels get energy (motion) from the flow of a river, windgenerators get energy from the flow of air... similarly, it's also possible to use the flow of magnetic energy to get free energy.

there's many perpetual motion machines, search on youtube or google, i won't bother to find them because no one would believe anyway.

energy can't be created or destroyed. the universe didn't come from nothing, it just transformed from nothing into another energyform. the reason that energy can't be created or destroyed is because nothingness, the source of all energy, doesn't need to be created in order to exist... and it can't be destroyed either.

everything is perpetual motion, but nothing is never in the same form forever. every motion is trying to reach the nothingness from which it came, but nothing can ever go back there (to the state of absolute rest).

 

Well there you have it.. you just disproved perpetual motion machines.

 

It is impossible to create Energy.
Energy is only observable when it is doing something...changing in some way. Otherwise it is not energy.
When photons appear in the dark of space, it is not energy being created from nothing, for nothing is something. It is only a measurement of change, without anything to measure, where is the energy?

It might be possible to tap an endless supply. There was a time one everyone teased the Wright Brothers...."it will never fly...it goes against the Laws of Physics...we know what we are talking about". The Wright brothers built an airplane anyways. This sort of thing has happened more then once!

We all suffer from assumptions of some sort. If we do not challenge each others assumptions we won't make much progress towards an ideal state of existence, where everyone is happy.

 

To Yorda,

"a perpetual motion machine that runs on magnetic energy is no different from a perpetual motion machine like a wind generator or a waterwheel."

I agree.

"scientists say that such machines are not perpetual motion machines because they receive energy from the environment but that's not true because all objects receive energy from the environment, otherwise they wouldn't even exist (they would die)."

???

"a river flows forever because it always gets energy from it's mother, the ocean. waterwheels get energy (motion) from the flow of a river, windgenerators get energy from the flow of air... similarly, it's also possible to use the flow of magnetic energy to get free energy."

Forever until the world breaks down, or the river erodes into a stream.
If free energy is tapping an unlimited source...then yeah.

"there's many perpetual motion machines, search on youtube or google, i won't bother to find them because no one would believe anyway."

Certianly alot of stuff on this suject. Interesting stuff too.

"energy can't be created or destroyed. the universe didn't come from nothing, it just transformed from nothing into another energyform. the reason that energy can't be created or destroyed is because nothingness, the source of all energy, doesn't need to be created in order to exist... and it can't be destroyed either."

Did I just hear an echo or was that someone else talking?

"everything is perpetual motion, but nothing is never in the same form forever. every motion is trying to reach the nothingness from which it came, but nothing can ever go back there (to the state of absolute rest)."

Yep. Except matter can anhililate back into nothing if it encounters its anit-matter pair. However, I suspect that when this happens energy waves are still released (in this case I mean information in a moving pattern of energy as a wave).

 

It most certainly can - but you are so lacking in scientific knowledge that you've probably never heard of entropy - and most likely would not understand if someone tried to explain it to you.

But basically, just like a clock, everything runs down if there is no one/nothing to keep it wound up. Even your rivers and wind will stop when the sun uses up all it's fuel. (But you don't believe that either, do you?)